Info on China's democracy movement and the events of 1989 available on-site.
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Tenzin Tuque
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06-02-2006 22:45
For anyone interested, here's a memorial for all lost June 4th 1989 across China, with hope for the future.
Info on China's democracy movement and the events of 1989 available on-site. All welcome! SLURL here |
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Chie Salome
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06-02-2006 23:50
But but but Wikipedia (Chinese)says it never happened!
 I also did a search at yahoo.cn with 天安門(Tiananmen), and nothing related to the incident came up. It's an improvement though. Your IP used to get immediately banned from the site just using the keyword a few years ago. I wonder if YouTube is accessible from within China. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=158ua2r4Qy8 Btw, I think this belongs to the Sandbox forum. |
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Chance Abattoir
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06-03-2006 04:08
Here's a better film on the incident and the aftermath.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/view/ _____________________
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Zepp Zaftig
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06-03-2006 08:23
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Margaret Mfume
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06-03-2006 08:30
Btw, I think this belongs to the Sandbox forum. Since the memorial is within SL it seems quite pertinent to General. Utilizing SL to disperse information which has been suppressed is very positive. Good luck to you.  _____________________
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Zoe Llewelyn
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06-03-2006 08:47
I remember it very well.
I sat and watched in horror, riveted to the images with a good University friend of mine who was here at school from China. His wife and daughter were still in Beijing. He lost several friends in that massacre. It was one of the turning points in my life. What little optimism and idealistic hopes I had left faded away as I watched those scenes and read the words of the news anchors. The world grew considerably darker, and I considerably more cynical. To all those who died that day and in the days that followed...I bow my head and and say a prayer. Your courage and sacrifice is not forgotten...no matter what some history books may say. -Zoe _____________________
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Tenzin Tuque
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06-03-2006 09:39
Yes, the internet banning and policing in China (and growing collusion by western IT corporations) is a strange and sometimes troublesome development.
I was a Mandarin language student in China during the democracy movement of 1989 and was evacuated shortly after Tiananmen massacre. Activists communicated with fax machines, routing around police and government spies. So people can almost always find a way. I suspect the same thing is happening today, although there's not much of a student movement left, based on my last visit to the mainland. But there is much to be hopeful about too. Thanks for the nice comments! I hope SL continues to expand its universe. _____________________
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Nepenthes Ixchel
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06-03-2006 18:51
Anyone remember Tiananmen Square? I'd like to think that no-one who saw the television footage would ever forget it, but I know that's not true. |
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Tenzin Tuque
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06-03-2006 22:46
Perhaps it is possible that outlawed political parties and social movements and refugee cultures could find a home on MMORPGs.
That prospect probably doesn't thrill game company owners, nor interest many of the players, but is possible. For example: many contemporary artists in China have made great advances in freedom of speech, partially because the authorities don't have a clue about modern art and partially because it is seen as a commercial venture, and therefore less suspect. MMORPGs, like Second Life, hold such possibility, simply because they are technically just building-exploring-social games and might offer some protection against the prolific cyber-spying that China engages in. Just a thought. RL invading SL Best post-Tiananmen documentary, and possibly the most controversial, is the Gate of Heavenly Peace. What happened at Tiananmen, and other cities across China in 1989, is one thing, but the dissolution of the democracy movement's leadership in later years is a whole other story. This film tackes both. Site has key video clips and great context. Why dredge up the past? Because the 1989 plea for democracy, minzhu, is still highly relevant. Western media didn't always catch the subtle meanings of minzhu --  -- and the largely positive, pro-national and pro-China sentiment of the reform movement still deserves attention, even in SL, where the accontability of power and governance is still a source of concern. best, TT _____________________
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Tenzin Tuque
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06-04-2006 13:01
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Phedre Aquitaine
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06-04-2006 13:16
I'd like to think that no-one who saw the television footage would ever forget it, but I know that's not true. I wish I could forget the things I've seen sometimes. Other times I'm thankful I haven't. _____________________
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Flavian Molinari
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06-04-2006 13:54
America will never forget!
As long as Chinese slave labor exsit to make my cheap plastic Walmart crap, America will never forget. As long as GM buys SUV motors from China, America will never forget. As long as China lends the U.S. money to pay for our war in Iraq, America will never forget. As long as the U.S. trades manufacturing jobs for low prices, America will never forget. As long as there is something more interesting on TV, America will never forget. We will never forget how those students tried to opress their government! ---------------- "And so, my fellow americans (or Chinese): ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country." - JFK |
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Nolan Nash
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06-04-2006 14:00
America will never forget! As long as Chinese slave labor exsit to make my cheap plastic Walmart crap, America will never forget. As long as GM buys SUV motors from China, America will never forget. As long as China lends the U.S. money to pay for our war in Iraq, America will never forget. As long as the U.S. trades manufacturing jobs for low prices, America will never forget. As long as there is something more interesting on TV, America will never forget. We will never forget how those students tried to opress their government! ---------------- "And so, my fellow americans (or Chinese): ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country." - JFK Exactly. Thank you for illustrating that Flavian. _____________________
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Gabe Lippmann
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06-04-2006 14:12
America will never forget! As long as Chinese slave labor exsit to make my cheap plastic Walmart crap, America will never forget. As long as GM buys SUV motors from China, America will never forget. As long as China lends the U.S. money to pay for our war in Iraq, America will never forget. As long as the U.S. trades manufacturing jobs for low prices, America will never forget. As long as there is something more interesting on TV, America will never forget. We will never forget how those students tried to opress their government! ---------------- "And so, my fellow americans (or Chinese): ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country." - JFK Thanks, that was....yeah, really.....ah.....no thanks. _____________________
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Garnet Psaltery
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06-04-2006 16:07
Yes, I remember, and was chilled. I wish we had seen the last of such events but that is too great a hope for these times. Thank you for placing this memorial in SL.
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nimrod Yaffle
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06-04-2006 16:48
Wow, thank you so much for the videos. We never learned about this in school, and I did not know the story behind the images. Now I do, thank you!
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Burnman Bedlam
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06-05-2006 08:09
I was barely a teenager when this happened. I have never forgotten about Tiananmen Square, as it so totally burned into my mind as I watched the news. I remember thinking how horrible it all was. I remember thinking how brave that guy was, quite litterally taking a stand.
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Boliver Oddfellow
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06-05-2006 08:30
I remember it well,and the images are as burned into ym head now as they were then. Thank you for bringing this to the fore and sharing the images and memories with us. it is only by keeping the memory of events like this alive that we keep the hope and flame of freedom burning bright
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Zapoteth Zaius
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06-05-2006 09:50
Moving to Sandbox.
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