Peak Oil has Arrived
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-24-2005 09:58
The peak oil theory predicts that the world's oil production output, like any nonrenewable resource, will eventually reach an all-time high and afterward gradually decline. Although it will be impossible to tell precisely when the peak occurs until it has already occurred and the world is in a definite production decrease, many experts are already predicting that the moment will happen in a few short years.
Deffeyes is one of the more pessimistic of the prognosticators. If he is correct, the global oil peak will just have occurred when he presents his Caltech lecture on December 1. Afterward, the commodity will become more and more scarce--and therefore more and more expensive and hard to obtain. The end result will be massive economic and social disruptions in a 21st-century world that has fueled itself for decades with cheap and plentiful energy. http://www.physorg.com/news8441.htmlThe end of plentiful oil will have massive economic and social disruptions in a 21st-century world. Enjoy the prosperity while it lasts. ~Ulrika~
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Chance Abattoir
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11-24-2005 10:02
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Aliasi Stonebender
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11-24-2005 10:07
Actually, it could well wind up being the best thing going, providing a real impetus to use more sustainable energy sources.
In future generations, the greatest wonder will be why did we burn all our petrochemicals when they're more useful (and not used up) in making things.
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Jauani Wu
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11-24-2005 10:49
i am looking forward to demand destruction
go uranium! go!
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-24-2005 11:04
Shit, that reminds me, I need to buy gas.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-24-2005 11:07
Modern agriculture has been called the art of turning petroleum into food. When that petroleum is no longer available, what will happen to the output of farms on a global scale? Who will be the ones who do without?
The development of alternative sources of energy to make up for the shortfall in petroleum will occur when the cost of petroleum meets or exceeds the cost of the alternative fuels. Given the low energy return on investment of alternative sources (coal and nuclear) and the low efficiency of electric transmission this price will be 3 to 4 times that of fuel. Are you prepared for a US$10-per-gallon (US$2.5-per-liter) cost of gas (or alternative-energy equivalent)? What will that do to your commute and to society as a whole? What will this do to the economy? How will this affect your retirement investments?
All plastics are derived from petroleum. When the shortage of petroleum becomes acute, the cost of this material could approach and pass that of wood or metal, the very stuff it was created to replace. How will this impact our society?
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-24-2005 11:57
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Modern agriculture has been called the art of turning petroleum into food. When that petroleum is no longer available, what will happen to the output of farms on a global scale? Who will be the ones who do without?
The development of alternative sources of energy to make up for the shortfall in petroleum will occur when the cost of petroleum meets or exceeds the cost of the alternative fuels. Given the low energy return on investment of alternative sources (coal and nuclear) and the low efficiency of electric transmission this price will be 3 to 4 times that of fuel. Are you prepared for a US$10-per-gallon (US$2.5-per-liter) cost of gas (or alternative-energy equivalent)? What will that do to your commute and to society as a whole? What will this do to the economy? How will this affect your retirement investments?
All plastics are derived from petroleum. When the shortage of petroleum becomes acute, the cost of this material could approach and pass that of wood or metal, the very stuff it was created to replace. How will this impact our society?
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Cid Jacobs
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11-24-2005 11:59
From: Kendra Bancroft It means there will be a corn farmer in the Whitehouse. HA!  |
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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11-24-2005 12:01
You can make plastics from other materials. Soy, for instance.
You can also make gasoline from other materials.
Soy, for instance.
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11-24-2005 12:04
From: Jauani Wu i am looking forward to demand destruction
go uranium! go! STFU uranium!  |
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-24-2005 12:09
From: Eggy Lippmann STFU uranium! STFU -- You're Anium! |
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Aliasi Stonebender
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11-24-2005 13:38
From: Lordfly Digeridoo You can make plastics from other materials. Soy, for instance.
You can also make gasoline from other materials.
Soy, for instance.
LF as the meme on Everything2.org was back in the day: soy gives you strength, strength crushes enemies!
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-24-2005 13:42
From: Lordfly Digeridoo You can make plastics from other materials. Soy, for instance. How how much farmland would need to be dedicated to soy in order to meet our need for plastics? How much farmland would need to be dedicated to corn in order to meed our need for ethanol? Is there enough farmland to grow crops for food, plastics, and fuel? What would the price be for the plastics and fuel derived? Is the energy return on investment for ethanol greater than one? Will our farmland area have to grow dramatically once petroleum can no longer be used to work the land? The problem with the we-can-grow-it argument is that there's not enough land or water to simultaneously feed ourselves and grow additional crops for fuel and plastics (assuming they would even be affordable or sustainable). ~Ulrika~
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Aliasi Stonebender
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11-24-2005 14:17
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
The problem with the we-can-grow-it argument is that there's not enough land or water to simultaneously feed ourselves and grow additional crops for fuel and plastics (assuming they would even be affordable or sustainable).
~Ulrika~
Land, perhaps, but we do have rather a lot of water. Not much of it's fresh, but if there's any way to make a plant tolerate salt water, I imagine it will be put into use.
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Tikki Kerensky
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11-24-2005 19:29
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Modern agriculture has been called the art of turning petroleum into food. When that petroleum is no longer available, what will happen to the output of farms on a global scale? Who will be the ones who do without?
The Amish shall save us!
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