Democrats Registering Illegal Aliens To Vote?

A couple interesting reads. Even if it's not intentional, it's certainly irresponsible.

"Local Democrats distributed voter registration cards..."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-fwrally_10met.ART.State.Edition2.90eb24a.html


"According to the leaders of the nationwide pro-illegal immigration rallies, an important part of their activities during the protests is the registration of illegal aliens to vote.
Although they don't say "illegals" will be registered, the majority of those immigrants being sign up to vote in US elections are in the country unlawfully."
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/13764.html

-Kiamat Dusk

Interesting alteration of this one... the factual quote is:

"Local Democrats distributed voter registration cards and people were asked to sign petitions in support of such legislation as the McCain/Kennedy bill, which would allow illegal immigrants to earn citizenship."

Handing someone a voter registration card is not illegal. Encouraging them to fill it out is not illegal. The local county clerk's office will check validating information before sending out a voter registration card. If the county clerk issues the voter ID card without proper verification, THAT is illegal. Not only that, but in Texas you must present a drivers license or other ID with your voter registration card at the actual polls.

Additionally, Kiamat's post would leave one with the impression that every single person at the rally was an illegal immigrant, which is not true.

just cause you neo-cons don't like illegal immigrants, doesn't mean everybody dislikes them

Kiamat! Gosh, you've been MIA. All feels right with the world (well, the forums) now that you're back.

Just to echo others:

The distribution of voter registration cards is not the same as registering people to vote --the Registrar of Voters does that. Not all folks at these rallies are illegal aliens. Not all legal U.S. citizens are registered to vote, so hurrah to those with the foresight to bring forms to such a large gathering of folks -- imagine that, encouraging people to be part of the political process!

Of course, as always, it is in the best interest of the conservatives to keep folks away from the polls, so I can understand their jitters.

Anyhoo, welcome back K!

You're saying this like the people's vote actually matters anymore. Or will matter in the future.

My quote was not altered, nor was it untrue. The elipses at the end of the sentence indicated that there was more to the original quote. Moreover, if deception were my aim, why would I have bothered to post the links to the original articles? Moreover, this wasn't just happening in Dallas.



Again, if deception of false impressions were my aim, why would I have bothered to post the links to the original articles?


And, thanks for the welcome back, vivi!

-Kiamat Dusk

un-factual? Is this a new neo-con word? It wasn't really true, but it wasn't un-factual. LOL

But, yeah, it was un-factual. Your title was "Democrats Registering Illegal Aliens to Vote?" followed by "Local Democrats distributed voter registration cards..." which you called "irresponsible."

You certainly tried to make it seem that Democrats were registering illegals to vote. Heck you then quoted a right wing propaganda outlet that said:

"According to the leaders of the nationwide pro-illegal immigration rallies, an important part of their activities during the protests is the registration of illegal aliens to vote."

Which is a complete lie. So, your original post was not factual, and it was deceptive. So to quote you again,

"Even if it's not intentional, it's certainly irresponsible."

So, rather than debate the issue you've chosen to debate my grammar. I used the term "un-factual" (since editted) to respond directly to the "factual quote" portion of Shadow's quote.

The use of the question mark in the title of the post indicates that I am not coming down either way on this issue, because I don't have enough evidence one way or the other. I was bringing the topic of for discussion.

I also quoted and posted the link to an article in the Dallas News-it's called "fair and balanced", perhaps you've heard of it? Can you prove that none of the people who signed up to vote in all of the cities where this took place were legal to vote, or prove that the Democrats were taking effective steps to ensure that this didn't happen? If not, then you cannot honestly say that this was a "lie", it's just an assertion with which you disagree.

Personally, I'm going to wait to see if anything more comes of it before I make the call either way.

-Kiamat Dusk

Juro, that part was meant for Shadow's quote. I have editted that post to make it more clear which part was meant for which quote.

Now that you've spent two posts talking about my writing, perhaps you'd like to say something about the actual subject matter?

-Kiamat Dusk

Hum... Two Neo-Con sources.... they would have more weight if they were from AP... But these are like the stories you find in the National Inquiror(SP).

Oh yes, according to the Neo-Cons, the Democrats are not suppose to hand out Voter Registeration cards, only the Fundies and Neo-Cons are allowed to do that...


Yeal..... Right....

Neo-Cons..... Get over it..... Move On!!!!

Im all for Illegal Aliens voting, except for the frog people from Gamma Serpentis IV

There is no issue to debate. No one is trying to register illegal aliens to vote.



Ah, yes, accusing people of breaking the law, but you did it with a question mark, that means it's just for discussion? "Kiamat murdering Nuns?" How about "Bribery scandals reach White House?" It's deceptive to say you weren't coming down on one side or another.



Now you're being deceptive again. I didn't call the quote from the Dallas News a lie. I called the quote from the conservative propaganda outlet a lie. The Dallas News reported that Democrats handed out registration forms. Good for them. We need more citizens voting. The conservative propaganda outlet said,

""According to the leaders of the nationwide pro-illegal immigration rallies, an important part of their activities during the protests is the registration of illegal aliens to vote."

And I called that a lie. How do I know? Because the same "article" went on to say that "they don't say illegals will be registered". See, that's a major contradiction.



That's not true, you already believe it's happening and you stated quite clearly "Even if it's not intentional, it's certainly irresponsible." You didn't say, "If it's true, even if it's not intentional...." So don't try to make it sound like you're a neutral party. Neutral parties don't start threads accusing people of breaking the law. Even with a question mark at the end.