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Lorelei Patel
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07-24-2006 12:57
The National Marriage Project at Rutgers University has come out with its annual "State of Our Unions" report. In it, it points out that more adults are spending more time being childless. Some interesting points of the study include:
  1. In their early 40s, 1 in 5 women today has no biological children, compared to 1 in 10 in the 1970s.
  2. Some people now see having children as a financially poor move, and are for that reason chosing not to have children. Others see a child-free life as a happier one.
  3. The rate of childlessness is growing faster among the better educated, while the less educated are more likely to have children.


None of this comes as a surprise, but it is a reassurance to me.

In the past year, I've reconnected with about 15 friends from my past. Some of them I hadn't talked to in over a decade. As a group, we're now in our mid-30s, give or take. As I met up with more and more, a clear pattern formed. Of the 15, only two had children. I was very surprised by that.

But as my own prospects for motherhood fade, it's also comforting to know that I'm not going through this alone. And even if I've not come to this place in life by choice, at least I won't be the only one in the old folks home who gets no visitors on the weekend. *sigh* But anyway...

A troubling thought, too (on a few levels). What's it mean for society when the best-educated people are less likely to have children? OK, yeah, it sounds elitist, and maybe it is. But it also makes me worry a bit about our future. (Flame if you must, but hey, I'm being honest here and doesn't it at least give you pause? What would Darwin say?)

Thoughts?
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07-24-2006 13:10
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Lorelei Patel
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07-24-2006 13:10
From: Armandi Goodliffe
begins to hum "Flagpole Sitter"



:confused:


ETA: Oh, never knew that was the name of the song.
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Armandi Goodliffe
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07-24-2006 13:11
From: Lorelei Patel
:confused:



Lyrics from it go:

From: someone
Been around the world and found
That only stupid people are breeding
The cretins cloning and feeding
And I don't even own a tv
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07-24-2006 13:13
From: Lorelei Patel
What's it mean for society when the best-educated people are less likely to have children?


More votes for the Republican party?

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07-24-2006 13:27
From: Lorelei Patel

But as my own prospects for motherhood fade, it's also comforting to know that I'm not going through this alone.
Thoughts?

I'm coming up fast on 40 and I doubt I'll ever have children. Happily for me I do have 6 neices and nephews that I consider my proxy children. :)
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07-24-2006 13:35
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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07-24-2006 13:35
In the long run, it will make little actual difference. Homo sapiens sapiens is grossly overpopulated period, and it's going to come due sooner than you probably think.

I love children and would love one of my own, but I could not, in good conscience, consider bringing one into the world as it is now.
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Briana Dawson
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07-24-2006 14:21
Well I have 2 children, a boy and girl ages 6 and 5 respectively. I think in about 2 years I will be ready to have 2-4 more. :) (Best to have them in two's so they can growup together and play together)

It was a hard decision to initially have children but I am glad we did, regardless of the state of the world.

You would be suprised how children can make the world seem that much better. :)

Briana Dawson
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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07-24-2006 14:23
From: Briana Dawson
Well I have 2 children, a boy and girl ages 6 and 5 respectively. I think in about 2 years I will be ready to have 2-4 more. :) (Best to have them in two's so they can growup together and play together)

It was a hard decision to initially have children but I am glad we did, regardless of the state of the world.

You would be suprised how children can make the world seem that much better. :)

Briana Dawson


It's my personal decision, and I'm not trying to pass any kind of moral judgement on anyone else for doing otherwise. Nor do I think that the choice I've made is ever really going to make any kind of identifiable impact. It's just the choice I felt I had to make.

Just so it's clear that I'm not trying to condemn anyone here, I mean.
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Desmond Shang
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07-24-2006 14:27
Three children here.

No regrets, and couldn't imagine it any other way.


Decision? Not hardly.

Fate, destiny, purpose, unavoidable outcome, or raison d'etre perhaps.
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Rose Karuna
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07-24-2006 15:47
Missed the child boat - mostly because I raised my brothers and when I got done with that, school and immersion in my career then I learned that I had lupus and could not physically meet the challenge of having a child and too old to adopt.

I'm OK with it though - not what people would think. I'm very happy with my husband, my home, friends, brothers, their families.

I have seen people who did not have children who have had very fulfilled lives in their communities and within themselves. I think you can "give birth" to many things other than just children.

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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-24-2006 15:53
yeah I'm the old fuddy here, I have two son's age 21 and 17. I will probably be a grandfather within 5 years (my oldest just proposed). On top of having 2 of my own, I have 165 students and 40 football players that for six months out of the year I consider my "kids"
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Persephone Kirkorian
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07-24-2006 15:54
From: Rose Karuna
Missed the child boat - mostly because I raised my brothers and when I got done with that, school and immersion in my career then I learned that I had lupus and could not physically meet the challenge of having a child and too old to adopt.

I'm OK with it though - not what people would think. I'm very happy with my husband, my home, friends, brothers, their families.

I have seen people who did not have children who have had very fulfilled lives in their communities and within themselves. I think you can "give birth" to many things other than just children.

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Thanks, Rose. That gives me hope
Listle Huskerdu
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07-25-2006 04:54
No children, cant have them but dont feel the loss too much! I love my career and my hobbies and children would get in the way a little. Although if I had the chance I probably would have opted to have them eventually.
Selador Cellardoor
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07-25-2006 06:08
From: Lorelei Patel
The A troubling thought, too (on a few levels). What's it mean for society when the best-educated people are less likely to have children? OK, yeah, it sounds elitist, and maybe it is. But it also makes me worry a bit about our future. (Flame if you must, but hey, I'm being honest here and doesn't it at least give you pause? What would Darwin say?)

Thoughts?


As far as intelligence goes, it wouldn't be too drastic a problem. Intelligent parents tend to have less intelligent children, and unintelligent parents tend to have children who are more intelligent than they are.

It would mean that there were fewer brilliant individuals, and would mean that we all shifted a little downwards, but hopefully the downwards movement would not be a plunge.

More serious, I think, is the fact that those families who place most value in education would have fewer children. In Britain we have seen a change already in the philosophy of education. Fifty years ago it was seen as an end in itself - that education began a process that would continue throughout your life. Nowadays, education tends to be seen as a training for the world of business and commerce.

A world which didn't value education would be a terrible place.
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