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Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
Join date: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 1,525
03-21-2006 16:13
Attention progressive, socialist, liberal, pacifist, anarchist, feminist, or environmentalist debaters! Whether you are fighting class enemy over the Internet, in school, or at your parent's house over dinner, this tool is for you. No more awkward mumbling or looking for the right word! Just enter your ideological opponent's name and generate a Progressive Truth that will render your enemies speechless!

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/Rhetoric/index.php


So that's Kendra's secret! :eek: '

-Kiamat Dusk
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"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom"

From: Vares Solvang
Eat me, you vile waste of food.
(Can you spot the irony?)

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vivi Odets
Flibbertigibbet
Join date: 4 Sep 2005
Posts: 698
03-21-2006 16:15
Well, nothing personal, but I did type in your name, Kiamat:

"Kiamat, you are an individualistic parasite because you want to raise your children to be like you!"
Siobhan OFlynn
Evildoer
Join date: 19 Aug 2003
Posts: 1,140
03-21-2006 16:18
Here's what I got for Kiamat:

Kiamat Dusk, you are a bourgeois red-baiter because you were not at the Million Man March!

:D
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From: Soleil Mirabeau
I'll miss all of you assholes. :(
Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
Join date: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 1,525
03-21-2006 16:27
From: Siobhan OFlynn
Here's what I got for Kiamat:

Kiamat Dusk, you are a bourgeois red-baiter because you were not at the Million Man March!

:D



How did they know I wasn't at the MMM?! :eek:

-Kiamat Dusk
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"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'

"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom"

From: Vares Solvang
Eat me, you vile waste of food.
(Can you spot the irony?)

http://writing.com/authors/suffer
Persephone Phoenix
loving laptopvideo2go.com
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,012
03-21-2006 16:32
Poor logic knows no partisanship. Anyone can use it. I see poor logic used on both sides of debates, often. Rush Limbaugh (certainly not a liberal or feminist) once confessed (this was in the early 90s, 1992 or 1993 I think) to a Time Magazine interviewer that sometimes he would select a statistic not from an actual source, but because it sounded right. !!! That goes beyond poor logic into the realm of actual lying, but you catch my drift. People from all argumentative views make use of such common logical fallacies as

Ad Hominen fallacy (personal attack) targets the actual person who holds an opinion rather than the opinion itself.

Begging the Question (what is true is true) asks the audience simply to accept a statement as the truth when in actuality it is controversial (a common tactic of Kiamat's actually).

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc (after this, therefore because of this) falsely assumes a cause and consequence relationship just because one event happened after another

Non Sequitor (it does not follow) examples provided in posts above

Sweeping generalizations (juping to conclusions) overstates truth and exaggerates (such as the overstatement in the original post of this thread and the misinformed logic behind the auto-generation engine itself)

The False Dilemma (either-or) fallacy, imagining only and no more than two sides or solutions to an issue and ignoring all possible other truths (I brought an example of this to light in the death penalty thread).

Now that we look at the most common logical fallacies, how many do you think have been committed commonly by people in these forums? And were those in error on only one side of the argument? Didn't think so.
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Lorelei Patel
was here
Join date: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 1,940
03-21-2006 16:38
Persephone, you are a profiteering hillbilly because you think that the Fourth of July is the Capitalist Independence Day!
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Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
Join date: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 1,525
New York Times Headline Predictor!
03-21-2006 16:41
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=463&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=


Nancy Pelosi: Iraqi Occupation Depletes Populations Of Penguins

Hollywood Celebrities: Rugged Individualism Takes Money Away From Arts

-Kiamat Dusk
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"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'

"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom"

From: Vares Solvang
Eat me, you vile waste of food.
(Can you spot the irony?)

http://writing.com/authors/suffer
Kiamat Dusk
Protest Warrior
Join date: 30 Sep 2004
Posts: 1,525
03-21-2006 16:43
From: Persephone Phoenix

Ad Hominen fallacy (personal attack) targets the actual person who holds an opinion rather than the opinion itself.


You mean sorta like this one? :rolleyes:

From: Persephone Phoenix
Begging the Question (what is true is true) asks the audience simply to accept a statement as the truth when in actuality it is controversial (a common tactic of Kiamat's actually).


-Kiamat Dusk
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"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'

"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom"

From: Vares Solvang
Eat me, you vile waste of food.
(Can you spot the irony?)

http://writing.com/authors/suffer
Persephone Phoenix
loving laptopvideo2go.com
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,012
03-21-2006 17:02
not at all. that wasn't a personal attack, but a statement of behavioral pattern. I didn't call you a name or say you had poor ethics or were a rotten person. I said that you do often use that tactic because you do! lol
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Persephone Phoenix
loving laptopvideo2go.com
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,012
03-22-2006 02:05
From: Lorelei Patel
Persephone, you are a profiteering hillbilly because you think that the Fourth of July is the Capitalist Independence Day!

Hah! they're wrong! I think the FIRST of July is the Capitalist Independence Day! (Go Canada!... erm...down with Canadian Capitalists (or summat))
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Zapoteth Zaius
Is back
Join date: 14 Feb 2004
Posts: 5,634
03-22-2006 02:16
Zapoteth Zaius has no weak points and cannot be confused, you should not try and match wits with this one, you intolerant Drudge Report reader!!
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Spinner Poutine
Still rezzin or am I
Join date: 28 Oct 2005
Posts: 583
03-22-2006 02:21
spinnerpoutine, you are a genocidal white cracker because you do not have a subscription to The New Yorker magazine!

Damn! I wonder if they know about my Hustler subscription too
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-22-2006 04:47
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Siobhan OFlynn
Evildoer
Join date: 19 Aug 2003
Posts: 1,140
03-22-2006 05:48
From: Kiamat Dusk
How did they know I wasn't at the MMM?! :eek:

-Kiamat Dusk


So, the rest of it is true? :p
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From: Starax Statosky
Absolute freedom is heavenly. I'm sure they don't have a police force and resmods in heaven.


From: pandastrong Fairplay
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From: Soleil Mirabeau
I'll miss all of you assholes. :(
Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
Posts: 3,349
03-22-2006 07:52
Some good answers so far. We think that globular clusters formed at around the same time as the galaxy itself, so the gas from which its stars formed would not have had many heavy elements. It's likely the gas had been enriched by ~1 generation of stars (perhaps Population III stars). Since the time of their formation, many stars in globular clusters have either exploded (supernovae) or ended their lives as a white dwarf. Although both of these processes will have enriched the small amount of gas within and near the globular cluster, the already formed stars will not accumulate any (or, at least, a negligible amount of) further heavy elements.

Most of the stars that remain in globular clusters today are of relatively low mass -- the majority less massive than our sun. Although some of them will be burning helium in their cores (and, in fact, these are among the brightest stars in globular clusters), the majority will not have yet created metals. As franz pointed out, the few that have formed metals will not be able to transport them to their surface where we can see them. The stars with the lowest masses, which are the longest-lived, will probably never even create significant numbers of elements heavier than helium in their core.

As for your last question, you're right, the majority of the remaining stars will never end their lives as supernovae. Most will end up as a white dwarf. There is, however, a very tiny fraction of stars in globular clusters that will have recently accreted mass from a binary companion and settled onto the main sequence as short-lived massive stars. Many of these stars, which are called "blue stragglers", will eventually explode in a supernova.
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Lucifer Baphomet
Postmodern Demon
Join date: 8 Sep 2005
Posts: 1,771
03-22-2006 09:20
From: Taco Rubio
Some good answers so far. We think that globular clusters formed at around the same time as the galaxy itself, so the gas from which its stars formed would not have had many heavy elements. It's likely the gas had been enriched by ~1 generation of stars (perhaps Population III stars). Since the time of their formation, many stars in globular clusters have either exploded (supernovae) or ended their lives as a white dwarf. Although both of these processes will have enriched the small amount of gas within and near the globular cluster, the already formed stars will not accumulate any (or, at least, a negligible amount of) further heavy elements.

Most of the stars that remain in globular clusters today are of relatively low mass -- the majority less massive than our sun. Although some of them will be burning helium in their cores (and, in fact, these are among the brightest stars in globular clusters), the majority will not have yet created metals. As franz pointed out, the few that have formed metals will not be able to transport them to their surface where we can see them. The stars with the lowest masses, which are the longest-lived, will probably never even create significant numbers of elements heavier than helium in their core.

As for your last question, you're right, the majority of the remaining stars will never end their lives as supernovae. Most will end up as a white dwarf. There is, however, a very tiny fraction of stars in globular clusters that will have recently accreted mass from a binary companion and settled onto the main sequence as short-lived massive stars. Many of these stars, which are called "blue stragglers", will eventually explode in a supernova.


Damned Liberal
:p
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Phillip Bligh
Newbie!!!!!!!
Join date: 3 Mar 2006
Posts: 36
03-22-2006 10:46
Kiamat Dusk, you are a selfish scum-sucking Republican because you pay taxes that support the military!

Phillip Bligh, you are a heartless elitist because you want a quiet life in the suburbs with your family!
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Buhamut Bligh
Registered User
Join date: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 53
03-22-2006 12:07
You are a clean-shaven bigot because you are not a minority!

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what?
Michael Seraph
Second Life Resident
Join date: 9 Nov 2004
Posts: 849
Occasional Glimpses of Truth
03-22-2006 20:44
Dick Cheney, you are a greedy little Eichmann because you think that invading Iraq is related to the War on Terror!

LOL
Katt Kongo
M2 Publisher
Join date: 9 Jun 2005
Posts: 1,020
03-22-2006 23:59
Katt Kongo , you are a flag-waving strict constructionist because you're just a Right Wing ditto-head zombie!

Wow -- that really hit the nail on the head!
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Persephone Phoenix
loving laptopvideo2go.com
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
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03-23-2006 01:35
Hah! Punny.
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Leila Cookie
Custom User
Join date: 6 Feb 2006
Posts: 16
03-23-2006 02:34
lleila cookie, you are a clean-shaven cretin because you like the Wall Street Journal's editorial page!

How did they know I shave...damn toilet cams anyway :(
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