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Mulch Ennui
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12-07-2005 09:54
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/front2453711.9284722223.htmlOutlined strategy for destroying the United states in one move From: someone An EMP attack potentially represents a high tech means for terrorists to kill millions of Americans the old fashioned way, through starvation and disease. Although the direct physical effects of EMP are harmless to people, a well designed and well-executed EMP attack could kill — indirectly — far more Americans than a nuclear weapon detonated in our most populous city. Dr. Lowell Wood of Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, a member of the EMP Threat Commission, has warned in testimony before Congress that an EMP attack could reduce the United States to a pre-Industrial Age capacity, in terms of its ability to provide vital food and water to its population. ... In contrast, the testimony Congress received from other sources strongly suggested that such a devastating attack was neither unlikely nor difficult to achieve. It seemed that there was, in fact, reason to be concerned that terrorists and rogue states might present an EMP threat to the United States. ... Vladimir Lukin (the chairman of the Duma International Affairs Committee) assured a delegation of American legislators that Russia was not helpless in the face of U.S. led interventions: From: Vladimir Lukin
Hypothetically, if Russia really wanted to hurt the United States in retaliation for NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia, Russia could fire a submarine launched ballistic missile and detonate a single nuclear warhead at high altitude over the United States. The resulting electromagnetic pulse would massively disrupt U.S. communications and computer systems, shutting down everything.
This blunt statement succeeded in getting the attention of both parties in Congress. A second opinion was clearly needed. And on October 30, 2000, the EMP Threat Commission was established by law. From: China
Information war and traditional war have one thing in common, namely that the country which possesses the critical weapons such as atomic bombs will have "first strike" and "second strike retaliation" capabilities . . . .
As soon as its computer networks come under attack and are destroyed, the country will slip into a state of paralysis and the lives of its people will grind to a halt. (Su Tzu Yun, World War: The Third World War — Total Information Warfare, 2001.)
From: Iran
Once you confuse the enemy communication network, you can also disrupt the work of the enemy command and decision making center.
Even worse, today when you disable a country's military high command through disruption of communications you will, in effect, disrupt all the affairs of that country. . . . If the world's industrial countries fail to devise effective ways to defend themselves against dangerous electronic assaults, then they will disintegrate within a few years. . . . American soldiers would not be able to find food to eat nor would they be able to fire a single shot. ("Electronics to Determine Fate of Future Wars," Nashriyeh e Siasi Nezami, 1999.)
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Ante Flan
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12-07-2005 10:04
"Hypothetically, if Russia really wanted to hurt the United States in retaliation for NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia, Russia could fire a submarine launched ballistic missile and detonate a single nuclear warhead at high altitude over the United States. The resulting electromagnetic pulse would massively disrupt U.S. communications and computer systems, shutting down everything."
Somebody has played way too much Metal Gear Solid 2.
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Michael Seraph
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12-07-2005 10:05
Yah, the World Tribune, they're a reliable source. LOL
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Bond Harrington
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12-07-2005 10:16
Yeah, I was looking at some of the articles there and it tends to veer into the "wacko conspiracy nut" territory.
And you don't need to be a nuclear nation or have the capacity to make nukes to make an EMP bomb. Look up stuff on flux compression generator devices or e-bombs: they're extremely simple to manufacture, since they're almost like pipe bombs.
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Gabe Lippmann
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12-07-2005 10:51
From: Bond Harrington And you don't need to be a nuclear nation or have the capacity to make nukes to make an EMP bomb. Look up stuff on flux compression generator devices or e-bombs: they're extremely simple to manufacture, since they're almost like pipe bombs. But how can you be sure the terrorists will have the flux capacitor fixed before the next appropriately large lightning strike hits?
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Mulch Ennui
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12-07-2005 11:09
From: Gabe Lippmann But how can you be sure the terrorists will have the flux capacitor fixed before the next appropriately large lightning strike hits? LMFAO you stole my post!!!! well, i read left wing consiracy too, right wing conspiracy is a fun diversion
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12-07-2005 14:15
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Lecktor Hannibal
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12-07-2005 14:18
Oh yay another evolution argument. Welcome back C.G. 
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Kathmandu Gilman
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12-07-2005 17:13
EMP attacks are not that big a deal. The military and most vital systems in the US are EMP hardened. Anything that uses tubes is unaffected by EMP. Aircraft are EMP hardened just to withstand lightning strikes.
It would be a major inconvienence rather than a civilization crasher, similar to a power blackout. There are bigger worries than an EMP strike like say, suitcase nukes or dirty bombs. Terrorists also have to keep in mind our ability to retaliate, like say, turning Mecca into a glass parking lot. (if the US invaded Afganistan and destroyed the Taliban government on the mere notion that they were harboring Osama, there ain't no telling what the government might do in case of a nuclear attack)
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