Anti-Islam Islam?

Am I the only one that finds this offensive, or am I just reading it wrong?

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I think your problem here is you're thinking; you know better to do that here.

My initial reaction was 'wtf?!'. but I've had time to reread and reflect on the post, and now I'm more inclined to think 'wtf?!'

We all know that 95% of projects in SL fail sooner rather than later, so there is little need to worry.

what's offensive exactly?

Interesting, but any "religion" birthed by an atheist could never gain any traction (unless you're L. Ron Hubbard ). I admire the ambition and what I assume is the spirit of the project but methinks this is something Muslims need to do for themselves, however unlikely that is. For some reason liberals and moderates in a religion never seem to take a real stand against the radical elements within their own faiths. Then again, trying to make a more rational version of something that's completely irrational to begin with doesn't strike me as very... er... rational.

Pretty much my thoughts.



Pretty much the rest of my thoughts.



Eh. We don't agree there, but I'll accept it might seem that way to an outsider

Here's another extremely offensive idea from Khannea.

I don't find that one particularly offensive. A bit stupid, maybe, and ill-concieved, but not particularly offensive.

That's actually more or less my view on the other post, too, come to think of it.

Interesting

I'm moving more towards "wtf u on about?" at the moment, and possibly "lol".

Not sure how intrinsically offensive it is but it's certainly offensively patronising: statements such as...

...well, if the author can't see how saying that "wester style democratic thought" makes one "mature" and one can't be that without leaving "middle east backgrounds", and that people need wedging out of them by us enlightened westerers, is patronising, I'm not sure what the point is in discussing it.

So mostly "lol" then.

Actually I could see that it might be an interesting counterfactual history project to say "what if Islam grew up in a different historical environment? what would be different? how much of what is called Islam has been influenced by external factors?" and work from there, but that doesn't appear to be what this is.

Oh come now. Do you honestly expect I'm going to get deeply offended at people proposing bad ideas? I'm not that thin skinned.

I'm confused. I find nothing offensive about that idea at all. Sounds like it could be a really interesting area if it came to fruition. Architecture and symbolism relating to world mythologies is fascinating and often very beautiful.

There was nothing offensive (or even in bad taste I may add) about Khannea's ads. My post about extreme offense was sarcastic. I thought that was kinda obvious from my first post in this thread.

As for Ordinal's argument...you just read the whole thing wrong and then some. There was nothing offensively patronizing about the ad. Khannea is not suggesting that Western thought makes one mature. Where did you read that? She's talking about how much time it may take for her little cult to become a mature, i.e., fully realized, religion.

As for Chip's take on atheists establishing religions, well, wasn't the buddha pretty much an atheist? Where's Buddhism now? And let's not forget Western Buddhism--a rapidly growing religion. So, yeah, why not Western Islam? And why not here, in SL? I would think that a global disembodied medium like SL would be perfect for the introduction and maturation of ideas and ideologies. And, yeah, I admire the ambition too.

I think I need to replace the batteries in my sarcasm detector

Is Islam copyrighted anywhere? I think it has the potential to be a very marketable item of properly presented. I mean, big business. I can see an alternative Islam here in the west, with its own iconic symbolism, it's own message, it's own value systems, derived from the current more arabic Islam.

You'd have to edit a few aspects, like the Hajj. Maybe London, trafalgar square, would be a practical replacement as desination of pilgrimage for more occidental oriented adherants. Or maybe the Dam, Amsterdam. Would give a whole new ring to the term Jah.

Whatever one elects, if you choose not to believe in this happy go lucky "upgraded" religion, be my guest. I am sure near to a billion Moslims in the world wouldn't give it a second though. Or they could potentially sue for copyright infringement with the WTO, as soon as they'd have registered their product as a registered trademark.

I think SL is an excellent place for experiments with these topics, except for the potential spin-off that could result in US administration officials being on hairtrigger alert for anything having to do with the mere mention of the word Islam - or actual fundamentalists who cannot reconcile anything westerm or liberal with Islam, period.

I can expect LL not wanting to be caught in the middle.. then again they could wait and see if anyone gives a damn. Obviously this entire thing is exceedingly likely to fizzle out and go away.

Short answer: In the US, at least, ideas can't be copyrighted.

But besides that... dude, what are you on?

Dude.
Could your timing be any worse?
I don't think this would be a good time to sell a western version of Islam.

This will not end well.

I'm thinking WTF on this whole discussion.

I was thinking of starting a similar religion. We will use the marketing people from HP and combine it with a western version of Islam. This is what we got so far....

Well, technically speaking, Buddhism is... well, not atheistic, precisely, but certainly non-deistic.

Islam isn't Javascript, and you aren't Bill Gates, Khannea.


Are you?