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Man applies for teleportation patent

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05-14-2006 09:11
Is this something that we have to look forward to or the ramblings of a madman? :cool:

Teleportation Patent Apllication
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05-14-2006 09:33
Madman or con man.

From a description of another invention of his, a remote viewing device:

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05-14-2006 10:18
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05-14-2006 11:39
Without even looking at it I can say “madman”. Quantum physics shows that transporters like you see in Star Trek are physically impossible. So no one will ever make one, sorry.
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05-14-2006 11:56
From: Vares Solvang
Without even looking at it I can say “madman”. Quantum physics shows that transporters like you see in Star Trek are physically impossible. So no one will ever make one, sorry.

O RLY?

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviationspace/d1e527098dcda010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html
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05-14-2006 12:04


I didn't say warp drive was impossible silly, just the transporters. The theory behind warp drive and anti-mater engines is sound. VERY technically difficult, but possible. Time machines are a theoretical possibility too. Though they are a practical impossibility.
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05-14-2006 12:05
From: Vares Solvang
Without even looking at it I can say “madman”. Quantum physics shows that transporters like you see in Star Trek are physically impossible. So no one will ever make one, sorry.


This is a type of teleportation and its called Quantum Teleportation.
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I was wonder how long this one would take
05-14-2006 12:11
From: Edav Nomad
This is a type of teleportation and its called Quantum Teleportation.


Ah, very good. =) Yes, this is quantum teleportation. This is not the same thing that they do in Star Trak though.

With quantum teleportation, the actual physical object is not teleported. The only thing that is sent is information about it. Then at the destination that information is used to make an exact copy of the original, but it's still only a copy. Sort of like doing a file transfer with your computer.

So if this could be done with something as big as people, which it can't by the way, then the person wouldn't actually be transported, they would just be copied at their destination.

EDIT: The Sci-Fi show The Outer Limits did an episode on this very thing years ago.
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05-14-2006 21:14
From: Vares Solvang
Ah, very good. =) Yes, this is quantum teleportation. This is not the same thing that they do in Star Trak though.

With quantum teleportation, the actual physical object is not teleported. The only thing that is sent is information about it. Then at the destination that information is used to make an exact copy of the original, but it's still only a copy. Sort of like doing a file transfer with your computer.

So if this could be done with something as big as people, which it can't by the way, then the person wouldn't actually be transported, they would just be copied at their destination.

EDIT: The Sci-Fi show The Outer Limits did an episode on this very thing years ago.

You know, I've always had my reserves on real HUMAN teleportation.

Up to now, all I've seen are methods to copy objects (or particles - in reality) by transmitting information about the object to the distant side. I once saw something on Natgeo where a scientist said that a real transportation would be like doing that and destroying the original. When confronted with the dilema about destroying and human, he said somthing like if it where possible to accurately transmit every single piece of information - even the current state of every brain cell - then you'ld accurately have the original person on the far side, complete with memories and personality.

But, you'ld still have to destroy the first one, wouldn't you? If I were being transported, at the very instant that I am completely compied on the far side - would I see through my copy's eyes, before the original (me) get's obliterated? Would that person on the far side - who talks like me and thinks like me and even remembers his lousy *first time*, really be me? Or would I actually die as a "copied original" and there be another person, who thinks is me and even feels is me (gosh, he will probably think it all worked out perfectly well, since his last memories would probably be those of the scanning process in the teleporter). And he will be me to everyone else also.....

Damnit.... my brain hurts again.
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05-14-2006 21:41
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You know, I've always had my reserves on real HUMAN teleportation.

Up to now, all I've seen are methods to copy objects (or particles - in reality) by transmitting information about the object to the distant side. I once saw something on Natgeo where a scientist said that a real transportation would be like doing that and destroying the original. When confronted with the dilema about destroying and human, he said somthing like if it where possible to accurately transmit every single piece of information - even the current state of every brain cell - then you'ld accurately have the original person on the far side, complete with memories and personality.

But, you'ld still have to destroy the first one, wouldn't you? If I were being transported, at the very instant that I am completely compied on the far side - would I see through my copy's eyes, before the original (me) get's obliterated? Would that person on the far side - who talks like me and thinks like me and even remembers his lousy *first time*, really be me? Or would I actually die as a "copied original" and there be another person, who thinks is me and even feels is me (gosh, he will probably think it all worked out perfectly well, since his last memories would probably be those of the scanning process in the teleporter). And he will be me to everyone else also.....

Damnit.... my brain hurts again.


The reason that scientist talked about how you would have to destroy the original is that in order to get absolutely accurate information about the person you are sending, you would have to take them apart quark by quark. This process would obviously destroy the “original”. (And by the way is the part that makes it imposible, for reasons that get pretty technical.)

Since this would need to be completed before transmition of the data, you would not be in two places at once as you described, since the original would already be destoryed.

As to the part about whether the “copy” would really be you, that depends on your point of view. As you pointed out, he would be an exact copy of you. But does that make him you?

I can make an exact copy of a file on my computer, then delete the original. Is the copy the original file? That question leaves the realm of science and gets into the realm of philosophy. :)
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05-14-2006 22:30
this make my head go *booom, and make a bloody mess*
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05-14-2006 23:00
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Actually the Technological Singularity will tie into this at some point. The Singularity is based on the exponential rather than linear growth of human created technology, and how it will ultimately culminate into an event horizon where technology and biology can merge. Ray Kurzweil predicts this to occur in within the decade of 2020. Many sociocultural evolution theories also support this.

To the point of this thread, it is very conceivable that within some of our lifetimes, SOME of us may choose to have our being 'downloaded' rather than face a physical death. Therefore, if your being is already a digitally represented one, its foreseeable you could choose to again inhabit a custom built physical body in another time/space.

When (not if) this becomes a reality, you can bet your ass that it will result in the most profoundly awesome, controversial, endlessly debated, and divisive issue that humanity has ever faced.

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity (yes the Matrix is mentioned in the Wiki:^))