"Brokeback Mountain" Survival Guide for Heterosexual Men™
This had me in stiches, because it is funny and there's a large grain of truth in it.
P.S. - go see that movie if you haven't already, it's very, very good.
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Juro Kothari
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02-05-2006 12:19
"Brokeback Mountain" Survival Guide for Heterosexual Men™
This had me in stiches, because it is funny and there's a large grain of truth in it. P.S. - go see that movie if you haven't already, it's very, very good. _____________________
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02-05-2006 12:26
Microsoft.com!
Hahahahaha! I see what you mean.. Hahahaha! OMG! Hahahahaha! Sorry ![]() _____________________
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02-05-2006 12:51
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Zapoteth Zaius
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02-05-2006 12:57
Longer than my hand and I'm still laughing at microsoft.. You know, if you think about it, hahahahahahaha!
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Chance Abattoir
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02-05-2006 13:23
<--- Will probably not see this movie.
<--- Has also not seen Mulholland Drive. <--- Dislikes shock for the sake of shock, sex for the sake of sex, or weirdness for the sake of weirdness. Weird shocking sex (or any other combination of the three words) is cool, don't get me wrong, but it needs to serve a purpose other than selling tickets. Maybe I'm old fashioned. _____________________
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Lo Jacobs
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02-05-2006 13:31
<--- Will probably not see this movie. <--- Has also not seen Mulholland Drive. <--- Dislikes shock for the sake of shock, sex for the sake of sex, or weirdness for the sake of weirdness. Weird shocking sex (or any other combination of the three words) is cool, don't get me wrong, but it needs to serve a purpose other than selling tickets. Maybe I'm old fashioned. Ohhh man, I'm with you on Mulholland Drive (I did see it though, but I really hate David Lynch -- it's beside the point anyway) -- but I *really* don't think that this movie is meant to be shocking in any way. Methinks you missed the point. Either way, it was originally a short story by Annie Proulx, published in the New Yorker, which I still need to read. I have not seen Brokeback Mountain either (largely due to the fact that my boyfriend is one of those men who won't see it) but I'm still trying to bully him into going. Umm, anyway, I don't think any of this has to do with shock value. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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02-05-2006 13:41
See... Chance that's the misconception - there was little (mainly one short scene near the beginning) that was of homo-sex. That was it.
So, I think a challenge is in order - any of you straight guys willing to perform an experiment? I want to know, if you take a date (or GF, wife, etc.) to see this movie - is it really a good 'date' movie? Report back your findings! ![]() _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
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02-05-2006 14:23
See... Chance that's the misconception - there was little (mainly one short scene near the beginning) that was of homo-sex. That was it. What purpose did it serve other than to be a homo-sex scene? What scares me away from it is that my girlfriend saw it and came back complaining that there was no reason for it (she complained about other things as well, but my mental tape recorder turned off as soon as I got the faintest inkling of purposelessness). One example of a "good" sex scene, to me, is the "ass to ass" scene in Requiem for a Dream, which bludgeons you with the depths of the depravity the character has reached, paralleling the therapy of Sara and the illness of Harry during the gutwrenching finale. An example of a "bad" sex scene, to me, is the sex (somewhat sexless, actually) scene in Top Gun which is there only to have a sex scene. Of course it could be argued that we're getting "shown" how deep their relationship is, but the same thing could be effortlessly achieved by having her whisper to him something like, "You were great last night" while in an elevator (or any number of other suggestive acts). _____________________
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Lo Jacobs
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02-05-2006 14:28
Requiem for a Dream was a really effective movie. It made me want to kill myself after I watched it.
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Juro Kothari
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02-05-2006 14:29
I found the sex scene to be there for a reason - and not just for the sake of having a sex scene. Up to that point, the whole interaction and relationship between the two is unclear, at best. Is there some attraction? Are they just friends? What's happening?
The sex scene was there to clarify those questions and to express the fear/confusion/lust that these men were experiencing. I say this as a person who also doens't appreciate sex scenes just to generate $$, unless it's porn. To me, a sex scene must be a needed and valuable addition to the story._____________________
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Nicodemus Oddfellow
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02-05-2006 14:39
What purpose did it serve other than to be a homo-sex scene? you know, there are lots of possible reasons for a sex scene in a movie. a scene or image or whatever doesn't have to advance the plot to be 'purposeful'. it can set a mood; develop a character; make a statement; manipulate the viewer's emotions; or even be a tangential diversion (such things are not necessarily bad for a film, you know). i haven't seen brokeback mountain, but i have seen requiem for a dream, and one could just as easily make the same argument about the double-dong scene there - she could have just come in afterwards and said 'man, that was so degrading,' but it is usually better to show than to tell. i cannot speak to the possible qualities of the scene in brokeback mountain, but to casually dismiss something because it lacks purpose is disingenuous. how do you know what the filmmaker's purpose was or was not? |
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02-05-2006 14:51
I'm straight and female, and I have no urge to see Brokeback Mountain, and would worry a little if a guy asked me out on a date to go see it. Granted I have a history of going to weird movies on dates, last one was Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, but gay cowboys don't really do too much for me no matter how pretty they are.
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02-05-2006 15:34
I can't watch movie sex scenes anymore since "Team America"
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02-05-2006 15:37
I loved that XD _____________________
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02-05-2006 15:49
how do you know what the filmmaker's purpose was or was not? That's the wrong question to ask me. I don't think that the filmmaker's purpose is relevant. Film, as a text, stands on its own without regard to the intentions of the filmmaker (if a single one can be identified as the auteur at all). _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
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02-05-2006 15:54
but to casually dismiss something because it lacks purpose is disingenuous. Get back to me on this accusation when you've seen Whoopie Goldberg's Telephone followed by an extended cut of Dovzhenko's Earth and a David Lynch movie (not Dune, no cheating) for dessert. _____________________
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02-05-2006 16:22
I can't watch movie sex scenes anymore since "Team America" well i think when he piledrove her and the golden shower it illustrated the complex levels in the tapestry that is thier relationship that scene was integral to the plot of the movie _____________________
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02-05-2006 17:50
My boyfriend and I have seen this movie twice now, once on Dupont Circle, and once locally (I guess the local theater finally got enough requests for it to bring it here), and it's got to be the best movie I've seen in my life. And that article was right, there was more straight sex in this movie than in most other movies that have come out recently. To quote another article I've seen, "Brokeback is 140 minutes long, and 139 of those minutes are about two guys not having sex".
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Paolo Portocarrero
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02-05-2006 20:34
The purpose of the male-on-male sex scene, Chance, was to illustrate the cognitive dissonance the two men were experiencing in the early stages of their relationship, especially on the part of Ledger's character, Ennis. The sex scene is almost a wrestling match in its intensity, with Ennis' simultaneously erotic and repulsed feelings setting a tone for the relationship that persists until the ending. Although it may have offended some peoples' moral sensibilities, the male-on-male sex scene was an important literary and plot device for the film.
IMO, the sex scene was otherwise pretty tame. I've seen more male anatomy in the average Tom Cruise film. Besides, I, as a gay man, have to sit through at least one tacky hetero love scene in just about every film Hollywood churns out, these days. Your turn to squirm. _____________________
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