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SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-04-2005 06:22
"Running to Mommy" has a sexist ring to it to me. Children who want help, guidance, or comfort can run to their fathers. For that matter, many children don't have either a mother or father to turn to and have an aunt, uncle, grandparent or other guardian to look after them.

This sort of forum sexism is something up with which one should not put!
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Logan Bauer
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11-04-2005 11:23
I propose the name be changed to:

" Moving at a safely accelerated pace while NOT carrying scissors or any sharp object, in the general direction of a parent or guardian figure of unspecified race, national origin, or creed".
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11-04-2005 11:27
Well i think it shouldn't be "Running" because some children cannot walk so running should be replaced with moving. The correct phrase should read: "Moving to Guardian" :P
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11-04-2005 11:33
Well I think that any sane Guardian wouldn't let their child out of the papoose until well into the teen years. Therefore, there should be no moving, running, or moderately paced walking at all. And Guardians....don't forget those earmuffs.
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11-04-2005 11:40
From: Gabe Lippmann
Well I think that any sane Guardian wouldn't let their child out of the papoose until well into the teen years. Therefore, there should be no moving, running, or moderately paced walking at all. And Guardians....don't forget those earmuffs.



Hey now! Gabe, I was VERY offended by your usage of the term "earmuffs", I don't know where those <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden> have been, I'm certainly not putting anyone's <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden> on my ears any time soon! What is that, like putting a seashell up to your ear and listening for the sound of the ocean? When I put my ear on some <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden> <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden> and hear crabs, my blood boils because my deviant children don't HAVE crabs yet and <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden>...

Your implying that I would forget where my nonexistant children's ears have been is preposterous. The further and more carefully veiled implication that the crabs crawling out of my childrens ears are the result of <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden> are in direct violation of the TOS.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-04-2005 13:08
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
This sort of forum sexism is something up with which one should not put!
You've actually made a very interesting grammatical error here.

The complete verb is "to put up". The "up" is a germanic inseparable prefix, called an adverb or an adverbial particle, and always appears with the root of the verb. Because the verb is intransitive, it takes its object using an idiomatic preposition, which in this case is "with".

In the construction you have above, you have sought to place the preposition at the beginning of the relative clause instead of at the end, as is often done in informal English. However, you made the mistake of putting the adverbial particle in the place of the preposition, when it in fact should remain with the verb.

The informal variation would be:
This sort of forum sexism is something which one should not put up with!


The variation with the preposition at the beginning of the relative clause (which is what you were looking for) would be:
This sort of forum sexism is something with which one should not put up!



Finally, in regards to the claim of sexism, I took note that the forum moderator who locked the thread was Jeska before I started the thread.

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Nolan Nash
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11-04-2005 13:13
Actually, Jeska just happened to answer, JSecure had no way of auguring the gender of the person who would ultimately respond. In fact he started the post with, "Lindens.."

Just saying. :)

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11-04-2005 13:14
From: Logan Bauer
Hey now! Gabe, I was VERY offended by your usage of the term "earmuffs", I don't know where those <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden> have been, I'm certainly not putting anyone's <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden> on my ears any time soon! What is that, like putting a seashell up to your ear and listening for the sound of the ocean? When I put my ear on some <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden> <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden> and hear crabs, my blood boils because my deviant children don't HAVE crabs yet and <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden>...

Your implying that I would forget where my nonexistant children's ears have been is preposterous. The further and more carefully veiled implication that the crabs crawling out of my childrens ears are the result of <edited premptively by the spirit of Jeska Linden> are in direct violation of the TOS.


ROFL :D!! That was good!
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11-04-2005 13:37
Eh screw that, I always ran to my cat with my problems...she was a better listener...
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-04-2005 14:02
From: Logan Bauer
I propose the name be changed to:

" Moving at a safely accelerated pace while NOT carrying scissors or any sharp object, in the general direction of a parent or gaurdian figure of unspecified race, national origin, or creed".

Not stilted enough.
From: Logan Bauer
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Spelling counts.
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Logan Bauer
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11-04-2005 15:05
From: SuezanneC Baskerville

Spelling counts.


Thankeesai, I've corrected it post-haste in order to ensure that my errant grammatical error doesn't corrupt today's youth.
SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-04-2005 15:18
From: Logan Bauer
Thankeesai, I've corrected it post-haste in order to ensure that my errant grammatical error doesn't corrupt today's youth.
Too late.
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Logan Bauer
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11-04-2005 15:40
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Too late.


Ahh, guess I should have said, "causedd a cumulaetive increese in the degre of coruption presnt in todaey's youths."
SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-04-2005 16:44
From: someone
This sort of forum sexism is something up with which one should not put!
To make this sentence sillier, I used the deliberately stilted wording of a response Winston Churchill has been said to have made to a negative comment about one of his statements.

From: someone
Churchill on Prepositions

The saying attributed to Winston Churchill rejecting the rule against ending a sentence with a preposition must be among the most frequently mutated witticisms ever. I have received many notes from correspondents claiming to know what the “original saying” was, but none of them cites an authoritative source.

The alt.english.usage FAQ states that the story originated with an anecdote in Sir Ernest Gowers’ Plain Words (1948). Supposedly an editor had clumsily rearranged one of Churchill’s sentences to avoid ending it in a preposition, and the Prime Minister, very proud of his style, scribbled this note in reply: “This is the sort of English up with which I will not put.” The American Heritage Book of English Usage agrees.

The FAQ goes on to say that the Oxford Companion to the English Language (no edition cited) states that the original was “This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not put.” To me this sounds more likely, and eagerness to avoid the offensive word “bloody” would help to explain the proliferation of variations.

A quick search of the Internet turned up an astonishing number. In this era of copy-and-paste it’s truly unusual to find such rich variety. The narrative context varies too: sometimes the person rebuked by Churchill is a correspondent, a speech editor, a bureaucrat, or an audience member at a speech and sometimes it is a man, sometimes a woman, and sometimes even a young student. Sometimes Churchill writes a note, sometimes he scribbles the note on the corrected manuscript, and often he is said to have spoken the rebuke aloud. The text concerned was variously a book manuscript, a speech, an article, or a government document.

Here is just a sample of the variations circulating on the Net:
That is a rule up with which I will not put.
This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put.
This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put.
Not ending a sentence with a preposition is a bit of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put.
That is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put
This is insubordination, up with which I will not put!
This is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put.
This is the sort of thing up with which I will not put.
Madame, that is a rule up with which I shall not put.
One poor soul, unfamiliar with the word “arrant,” came up with: “That is the sort of errant criticism up with which I will not put.”

Then there are those who get it so scrambled it comes out backward:
Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.
Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which we will not put.
From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.
Please understand that ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.
I checked the indexes of a dozen Churchill biographies, but none of them had an entry for “prepositions.”
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-04-2005 16:54
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Winston Churchill has been said to have made to a negative comment about one of his statements.
Yes, I know. The quotes have been used for decades to poke fun at grammarians who seek to enforce the rule that the preposition goes at the beginning of the relative clause, not realizing that the adverbial particle belonging to the verb had been mistakenly moved as well. :)

It's just fun with grammar and wasn't meant to be a critique of you.

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11-04-2005 17:59
Some of the other statements said to have been made by Winston S. are pretty good, the one where the lady says "If I were your wife, I would give you poison", and he responds "If you were my wife, I would drink it." , for example.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-04-2005 18:02
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Some of the other statements said to have been made by Winston S. are pretty good, the one where the lady says "If I were your wife, I would give you poison", and he responds "If you were my wife, I would drink it." , for example.
I believe he also said, "your comma is messed up."

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