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David Valentino
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12-06-2005 21:40
Rice Tries to Quiet Terror Fight Criticism
By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer
6 hours ago

From: someone
BUCHAREST, Romania - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice tried Tuesday to allay European suspicions about U.S. practices in the pursuit of terrorists, even as she secured new rights for American use of a military base suspected to have housed a secret CIA prison.

She refused to say whether the base ever served as a clandestine holding pen or interrogation center for terror suspects, and she stepped carefully around questions about a German citizen who sued the CIA on Tuesday over his seizure and detention by U.S. authorities.

She also would not address an ABC News report that prisoners were whisked away from the Mihail Kogolniceanu base in Romania shortly before Rice arrived in the country.

"I am not going to talk about whether such activities take place," Rice said when asked about the Romanian base. "To do so would clearly be to get into a realm of discussion about supposed or purported intelligence activities and I simply won't do that."

Romanian President Traian Basescu insisted, as he has done repeatedly since the CIA prisons allegations surfaced in news reports last month, that Romania never hosted such a site.

Allegations that the United States violated human rights and European law by running clandestine jails in Europe to interrogate suspected terrorists have clouded a diplomatic trip to European capitals this week.

Rice began her trip Monday with a lengthy defense of U.S. terrorism policies that she contended had saved European lives as well as American.

Before traveling to Romania on Tuesday, she said in Berlin that it is important that "friends be able to talk about issues of concern."

"It is also important, though, that any debate have a healthy respect for the challenge that we face when we face an enemy that operates from within our societies" and is intent on killing innocent civilians, she added.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the United States has admitted that Khaled al-Masri's detention was a mistake, but Rice would not say so outright.

U.S. officials said they cannot discuss the German's case in detail because it is in court.

"I did say to the chancellor that when and if mistakes were made we will work very hard and as quickly as possible to rectify them," Rice said.

As for secret prisons, suspicion fell on Romania's Mihail Kogalniceanu Air Base near the Black Sea and Poland's Szymany Airport after Human Rights Watch said it had flight records indicating that aircraft with links to the CIA landed repeatedly at both facilities in 2001-2004.

The Romanian base, which was heavily used by U.S. forces after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks for operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, was among several installations covered in a defense cooperation pact signed Tuesday by Rice and Foreign Minister Mihai Razvan Ungureanu.

Officials opened the base to AP journalists last month, and the sprawling base appeared virtually deserted.

Romania's military and the Pentagon say U.S. forces, which at one point numbered about 3,500 at the base, were withdrawn in June 2003 and since have returned only briefly for training exercises, most recently in September.

Yet some officials acknowledged that parts of the installation were off-limits to Romanian authorities, and the country's main intelligence service, SRI, has said it had no jurisdiction there.

"There were some bases we put at the Americans' disposal. We can't know what happened there," former Prime Minister Adrian Nastase, who served 2001-2004 and now heads the Chamber of Deputies, said Tuesday. He added, however: "For us, it's clear there was no secret agreement" allowing covert U.S. activity.

The new agreement is meant to give U.S. forces a jumping-off point in Eastern Europe to be closer to potential terror targets in the Middle East.

Meanwhile, Bulgarian Defense Minister Veselin Bliznakov, speaking at a news conference in Washington, said negotiations between his country and the United States about a military facility there should be concluded in March. The agreement, he said, would help improve his country's armed forces, boost the economy and enhance security.

In Germany, Rice congratulated Merkel on her election. Merkel is Germany's first chancellor from the formerly communist East, and for the Bush administration a welcome change after a turbulent relationship with Gerhard Schroeder.

In Romania, Rice praised cooperation between U.S. and Romanian forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Underscoring a friendship that has deepened since Romania threw off communism in 1989, Rice hailed the country as "a strong friend with whom we share common values."


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Mulch Ennui
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12-07-2005 00:50
here is the ABC news report

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1375123

some included gems:

From: someone

Two CIA secret prisons were operating in Eastern Europe until last month when they were shut down following Human Rights Watch reports of their existence in Poland and Romania.

Current and former CIA officers speaking to ABC News on the condition of confidentiality say the United States scrambled to get all the suspects off European soil before Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice arrived there today. The officers say 11 top al Qaeda suspects have now been moved to a new CIA facility in the North African desert.

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All but one of these 11 high-value al Qaeda prisoners were subjected to the harshest interrogation techniques in the CIA's secret arsenal, the so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" authorized for use by about 14 CIA officers and first reported by ABC News on Nov. 18.

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"The captured terrorists of the 21st century do not fit easily into traditional systems of criminal or military justice, which were designed for different needs. We have had to adapt," Rice said.

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But Polish Defense Minister Radoslaw Sikorski told ABC Chief Investigative Correspondent Brian Ross today: "My president has said there is no truth in these reports."

Ross asked: "Do you know otherwise, sir, are you aware of these sites being shut down in the last few weeks, operating on a base under your direct control?"

Sikorski answered, "I think this is as much as I can tell you about this."

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These same sources also tell ABC News that U.S. intelligence also ships some "unlawful combatants" to countries that use interrogation techniques harsher than any authorized for use by U.S. intelligence officers. They say that Jordan, Syria, Morocco and Egypt were among the nations used in order to extract confessions quickly using techniques harsher than those authorized for use by U.S. intelligence officers. These prisoners were not necessarily citizens of those nations.

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According to sources directly involved in setting up the CIA secret prison system, it began with the capture of Abu Zabayda in Pakistan. After treatment there for gunshot wounds, he was whisked by the CIA to Thailand where he was housed in a small, disused warehouse on an active airbase. There, his cell was kept under 24-hour closed circuit TV surveillance and his life-threatening wounds were tended to by a CIA doctor specially sent from Langley headquarters to assure Abu Zubaydah was given proper care, sources said. Once healthy, he was slapped, grabbed, made to stand long hours in a cold cell, and finally handcuffed and strapped feet up to a water board until after 0.31 seconds he begged for mercy and began to cooperate


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12-07-2005 01:14
From: Mulch Ennui
land of the free indeed!


well maybe not free, but I hear telehub land is going cheap these days