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nimrod Yaffle

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06-08-2006 23:01

http://www.kirklandproductions.com/ARTISTS/Dr_John_Corvino-AV.html

(I guess you *could* consider this mature, but I don't think so. But I guess consider this a warning before clicking it.)

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Devlin Gallant

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06-08-2006 23:09

Does the homophobic system teach me to read better?

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nimrod Yaffle

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06-08-2006 23:32

From: Devlin Gallant

Does the homophobic system teach me to read better?

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Phoenix Psaltery

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06-08-2006 23:53

Hmm... homonyms = two words that sound the same, i.e. pray/prey, berry/bury, holy/wholly.

So why isn't "homophobia" two people who are afraid of the same things?

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Devlin Gallant

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06-09-2006 00:05

Uhm, why should I be afraid of my home?

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Selador Cellardoor

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06-09-2006 03:31

From: Phoenix Psaltery

Hmm... homonyms = two words that sound the same, i.e. pray/prey, berry/bury, holy/wholly.

So why isn't "homophobia" two people who are afraid of the same things?

P2

I believe it's because the root 'homo' comes from both Latin and Greek, and means different things in each language.

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Ghoti Nyak

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06-09-2006 05:51

Excellent lecture.

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Selador Cellardoor

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06-09-2006 05:55

From: Ghoti Nyak

Excellent lecture.

-Ghoti

Well, someone asked a question and I answered it. And I am very well aware of the fact that I am a pedantic old sod.

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Groucho Mandelbrot

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06-09-2006 09:37

From: Selador Cellardoor

Well, someone asked a question and I answered it. And I am very well aware of the fact that I am a pedantic old sod.

#3 on the list of why forums on the internets always devolve into flame wars:

People who take every post as a personal, directed attack on themselves and search for the worst, most damaging interpretation of every word and phrase.

Zuzu Fassbinder

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06-09-2006 09:49

From: Groucho Mandelbrot

#3 on the list of why forums on the internets always devolve into flame wars:

People who take every post as a personal, directed attack on themselves and search for the worst, most damaging interpretation of every word and phrase.

Hehe, i thought it was a joke. Wasn't Ghoti's post a message about the lecture linked in the OP?

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Squeedoo Shirakawa

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06-09-2006 11:02

About the LECTURE: Cute. Well, coming from a (uber) religious family, I just pretty much came to the conclusion that humans will do what humans will do, and if it doesn't hurt anyone, then it's alright.

Of course, my mother hates it when I disagree with her about her claims, buuut I luv her anyways.

Now....dance!

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Mickey McLuhan

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06-09-2006 11:15

Actually, "Homo" means "Same", hence "Homogenous" and "Homonym".
It also means "Man", in the anthropology sense (I believe, but I could be mistaken, that THAT comes from the idea that the genus is like us, or the same as us), but Homosexual comes from the root "same". Homophobia comes from the slang shortening of homosexual to homo.

Aodhan McDunnough

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06-09-2006 14:00

Continuing from Mickey's statements

There is no fixed rule regarding the naming of phobias. The phenomenon is related to this humorous bit of language:

"If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?"

Yes, "homophobia" does not abide by rigid etymology rules, one incorrect etymology is "fear of same" (so a man who is afraid of a man), and another "fear of mankind" (a man who is afraid of other people). Of course the correct one is that "homo" of "homophobia" is a contraction of "homosexual."

Phobias are named more or less first come first served.

Homophobia - fear of homosexuals or homosexuality (but it also means fear of sameness or monotony!)
Androphobia - fear of men (andro- = man)
Anthrophobia - fear of other people (anthro- = society)

Selador Cellardoor

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06-09-2006 15:27

From: Groucho Mandelbrot

#3 on the list of why forums on the internets always devolve into flame wars:

People who take every post as a personal, directed attack on themselves and search for the worst, most damaging interpretation of every word and phrase.

Yes, I don't normally do that. Obviously I shouldn't look at the sl forums before breakfast. But anyway, I wasn't at all offended by the remark, because I am aware that my pedantry often shows, so it wouldn't have led to a flame war.

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Schwanson Schlegel

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06-09-2006 15:33

And what does this have to do with the seperation of milk?

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06-10-2006 05:12

In my personal experience homosexual and bisexual people are no better or worse than hetrosexual people. This is good, because it means my doomsday weapon doesn't need to discriminate.

Ghoti Nyak

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06-10-2006 08:42

From: Zuzu Fassbinder

Hehe, i thought it was a joke. Wasn't Ghoti's post a message about the lecture linked in the OP?

Yes. I was gunna post again, but decided I didn't care enough to point it out.

-Ghoti

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06-10-2006 08:50

From: Selador Cellardoor

I believe it's because the root 'homo' comes from both Latin and Greek, and means different things in each language.

*Ahem* thank you for the linguistics lesson, Selador, but I was making a joke... it was not a serious question, hence the

. Had I seriously been seeking this information, the

would have been supplanted by a

.

In Latin, 'homo' means 'man.' ("Ecce homo," "Behold the man."

In Greek, 'homo' means 'same.' (Homogenized, homogeneous, homonym.)

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Selador Cellardoor

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06-11-2006 04:26

Ghoti,

Please see my previous posting.

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A lecture for homophobics...
nimrod Yaffle Cavemen are people too... Join date: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 3,146	06-08-2006 23:01 http://www.kirklandproductions.com/ARTISTS/Dr_John_Corvino-AV.html (I guess you could consider this mature, but I don't think so. But I guess consider this a warning before clicking it.) _____________________ "People can cry much easier than they can change." -James Baldwin
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	06-08-2006 23:09 Does the homophobic system teach me to read better? _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
nimrod Yaffle Cavemen are people too... Join date: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 3,146	06-08-2006 23:32 From: Devlin Gallant Does the homophobic system teach me to read better? _____________________ "People can cry much easier than they can change." -James Baldwin
Phoenix Psaltery Ninja Wizard Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,599	06-08-2006 23:53 Hmm... homonyms = two words that sound the same, i.e. pray/prey, berry/bury, holy/wholly. So why isn't "homophobia" two people who are afraid of the same things? P2 _____________________
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	06-09-2006 00:05 Uhm, why should I be afraid of my home? _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	06-09-2006 03:31 From: Phoenix Psaltery Hmm... homonyms = two words that sound the same, i.e. pray/prey, berry/bury, holy/wholly. So why isn't "homophobia" two people who are afraid of the same things? P2 I believe it's because the root 'homo' comes from both Latin and Greek, and means different things in each language. _____________________
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	06-09-2006 05:51 Excellent lecture. -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	06-09-2006 05:55 From: Ghoti Nyak Excellent lecture. -Ghoti Well, someone asked a question and I answered it. And I am very well aware of the fact that I am a pedantic old sod. _____________________
Groucho Mandelbrot is no more Join date: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 296	06-09-2006 09:37 From: Selador Cellardoor Well, someone asked a question and I answered it. And I am very well aware of the fact that I am a pedantic old sod. #3 on the list of why forums on the internets always devolve into flame wars: People who take every post as a personal, directed attack on themselves and search for the worst, most damaging interpretation of every word and phrase.
Zuzu Fassbinder Little Miss No Tomorrow Join date: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,048	06-09-2006 09:49 From: Groucho Mandelbrot #3 on the list of why forums on the internets always devolve into flame wars: People who take every post as a personal, directed attack on themselves and search for the worst, most damaging interpretation of every word and phrase. Hehe, i thought it was a joke. Wasn't Ghoti's post a message about the lecture linked in the OP? _____________________ From: Bud I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.
Squeedoo Shirakawa Sweet 'n' Silky Join date: 4 Jan 2006 Posts: 143	06-09-2006 11:02 About the LECTURE: Cute. Well, coming from a (uber) religious family, I just pretty much came to the conclusion that humans will do what humans will do, and if it doesn't hurt anyone, then it's alright. Of course, my mother hates it when I disagree with her about her claims, buuut I luv her anyways. Now....dance! _____________________ I do not know why, but I do enjoy the taste of apple cider vinegar with water.
Mickey McLuhan She of the SwissArmy Tail Join date: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 1,032	06-09-2006 11:15 Actually, "Homo" means "Same", hence "Homogenous" and "Homonym". It also means "Man", in the anthropology sense (I believe, but I could be mistaken, that THAT comes from the idea that the genus is like us, or the same as us), but Homosexual comes from the root "same". Homophobia comes from the slang shortening of homosexual to homo.
Aodhan McDunnough Gearhead Join date: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 1,518	06-09-2006 14:00 Continuing from Mickey's statements There is no fixed rule regarding the naming of phobias. The phenomenon is related to this humorous bit of language: "If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?" Yes, "homophobia" does not abide by rigid etymology rules, one incorrect etymology is "fear of same" (so a man who is afraid of a man), and another "fear of mankind" (a man who is afraid of other people). Of course the correct one is that "homo" of "homophobia" is a contraction of "homosexual." Phobias are named more or less first come first served. Homophobia - fear of homosexuals or homosexuality (but it also means fear of sameness or monotony!) Androphobia - fear of men (andro- = man) Anthrophobia - fear of other people (anthro- = society)
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	06-09-2006 15:27 From: Groucho Mandelbrot #3 on the list of why forums on the internets always devolve into flame wars: People who take every post as a personal, directed attack on themselves and search for the worst, most damaging interpretation of every word and phrase. Yes, I don't normally do that. Obviously I shouldn't look at the sl forums before breakfast. But anyway, I wasn't at all offended by the remark, because I am aware that my pedantry often shows, so it wouldn't have led to a flame war. _____________________
Schwanson Schlegel SL's Tokin' Villain Join date: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 2,721	06-09-2006 15:33 And what does this have to do with the seperation of milk? _____________________
Nepenthes Ixchel Broadly Offended. Join date: 6 Dec 2005 Posts: 696	06-10-2006 05:12 In my personal experience homosexual and bisexual people are no better or worse than hetrosexual people. This is good, because it means my doomsday weapon doesn't need to discriminate.
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	06-10-2006 08:42 From: Zuzu Fassbinder Hehe, i thought it was a joke. Wasn't Ghoti's post a message about the lecture linked in the OP? Yes. I was gunna post again, but decided I didn't care enough to point it out. -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Phoenix Psaltery Ninja Wizard Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,599	06-10-2006 08:50 From: Selador Cellardoor I believe it's because the root 'homo' comes from both Latin and Greek, and means different things in each language. Ahem thank you for the linguistics lesson, Selador, but I was making a joke... it was not a serious question, hence the . Had I seriously been seeking this information, the would have been supplanted by a . In Latin, 'homo' means 'man.' ("Ecce homo," "Behold the man." In Greek, 'homo' means 'same.' (Homogenized, homogeneous, homonym.) P2 _____________________
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	06-11-2006 04:26 Ghoti, Please see my previous posting. _____________________

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