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Neehai Zapata

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11-11-2005 03:47

Yes, students at MIT have uncovered a major discovery. Rip off your foil hats now!

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

From: someone

Conclusion
The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations.

It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings.

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Ellie Edo

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11-11-2005 04:43

Science tells us that no radio waves can penetrate to the interior of a "Faraday Cage" which is a closed box (or sphere) made of conducting material. Tinfoil will do.

It can have holes in it so long as they are significantly smaller than the wavelengths it seeks to keep out, so a mere cage will do if the bars are close enough together.

Significant protection occurs if the "holes" are smaller than a quarter of the wavelength. Protection is virtually complete if smaller than a tenth wavelength.

So for 1.2GHz the holes would need to be smaller than 15mm across to work at all, and 6mm for total protection.

A spherical helmet of thin wire with 6mm mesh would be grand, and one would be able to see, speak, breathe, through it, and drink soup with a straw. But there is no way to continue the mesh through your neck, so transmissions would leak up this huge flesh-filled gap, how much one cannot guess.

Anyway, anyone who thinks governments are carrying out subtle targetted radio attacks on individual brains is almost certainly bonkers in the first place.

Widespread non-targetted radiation, if effective at all, would surely just cause vague widespread ill health and possible long term deterioration. How could that be in the interests of government ?

Just a case of people getting paranoid about threats they are not equipped to assess rationally, is it not ?

Convince me otherwise (won't be easy).

The MIT results are probably a complete spoof, but if not then they result from electrical resonance in the open ended tinfoil cup, with a diameter perhaps close to a multiple of the 60mm (approx 2.3 inch) wavelength. Bit like making a musical note by blowing across the top of a bottle.

The "hole" in the bottom is huge (close to half the whole thing). So a protective Faraday cage these "hats" definitely are not.

To do anything good at all, they would need to come down close round your neck and under your chin, and incorporate a 6mm mesh faceplate.

With a flexible integrated conductive shoulder/chest cape you'd really be in business.

Selador Cellardoor

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11-11-2005 07:04

From: Ellie Edo

The MIT results are probably a complete spoof, but if not

If not?

If not?

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Ghoti Nyak

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11-11-2005 07:15

From: Ellie Edo

Widespread non-targetted radiation, if effective at all, would surely just cause vague widespread ill health and possible long term deterioration.

Yeah... we call it 'The Media'.

From: someone

How could that be in the interests of government ?

Do you really think the gov't wants a healthy, happy, enriched populous capable of making and acting upon its decisions, or a border-line unhealthy, depressed, deadened populous that is easier to control?

-Ghoti
(damn, where's my tinfoil hat? damned garden gnomes stole it again!)

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Ellie Edo

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11-11-2005 07:17

From: Selador Cellardoor

If not?

If not?

Well, Selador, people in a University Dept who have the necessary equipment easily on hand, and can rig it up to test some crazy hypothesis one rainy afternoon, may well do it and make genuine measurements. Even though the intent, and the reporting, is both ironic and humorous.

In a way it is more amusing to make genuine measurements, and report them accurately through normal channels. A subtle form of self- and system-mockery in addition to the mocking of the debunking of the myths of the paranoid..

Ellie Edo

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11-11-2005 07:24

From: Ghoti Nyak

Do you really think the gov't wants a healthy, happy, enriched populous capable of making and acting upon its decisions, or a border-line unhealthy, depressed, deadened populous that is easier to control?

Well, in a nation with universal free health care I can see reasons for not spawning lots of sick people, but in the US ? Perhaps you are right. The medical profession might even be in favour, as an assistance to their wallets

Perhaps they deliberately target the already independently paranoid, in order to be able to easily discredit them when they protest ? That would be clever.

Euterpe Roo

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Posts: 1,395

11-11-2005 07:31

So. . . Is it time to take off my colander? I like to wear it around when I am indoors--mostly on Saturday but sometimes on Friday too.

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Mike Westerburg

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11-11-2005 08:12

From: Ellie Edo

Science tells us that no radio waves can penetrate to the interior of a "Faraday Cage" which is a closed box (or sphere) made of conducting material. Tinfoil will do.

It can have holes in it so long as they are significantly smaller than the wavelengths it seeks to keep out, so a mere cage will do if the bars are close enough together.

Significant protection occurs if the "holes" are smaller than a quarter of the wavelength. Protection is virtually complete if smaller than a tenth wavelength.

So for 1.2GHz the holes would need to be smaller than 15mm across to work at all, and 6mm for total protection.

A spherical helmet of thin wire with 6mm mesh would be grand, and one would be able to see, speak, breathe, through it, and drink soup with a straw. But there is no way to continue the mesh through your neck, so transmissions would leak up this huge flesh-filled gap, how much one cannot guess.

Anyway, anyone who thinks governments are carrying out subtle targetted radio attacks on individual brains is almost certainly bonkers in the first place.

Widespread non-targetted radiation, if effective at all, would surely just cause vague widespread ill health and possible long term deterioration. How could that be in the interests of government ?

Just a case of people getting paranoid about threats they are not equipped to assess rationally, is it not ?

Convince me otherwise (won't be easy).

The MIT results are probably a complete spoof, but if not then they result from electrical resonance in the open ended tinfoil cup, with a diameter perhaps close to a multiple of the 60mm (approx 2.3 inch) wavelength. Bit like making a musical note by blowing across the top of a bottle.

The "hole" in the bottom is huge (close to half the whole thing). So a protective Faraday cage these "hats" definitely are not.

To do anything good at all, they would need to come down close round your neck and under your chin, and incorporate a 6mm mesh faceplate.

With a flexible integrated conductive shoulder/chest cape you'd really be in business.

While this applies for standard Hertzian based EM waves, this does not apply to Scalar wave technology which will pass through any faraday cage, anyday. A scalar wave is a longitudinal based waveform much akin to sound as opposed to having the sinusoidal waveform. So if the supposed brainwashing technology is scalar based, there are no known barriers at the moment that will block the waveforms.

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Chalky White

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11-12-2005 07:22

From: Mike Westerburg

While this applies for standard Hertzian based EM waves, this does not apply to Scalar wave technology which will pass through any faraday cage, anyday. A scalar wave is a longitudinal based waveform much akin to sound as opposed to having the sinusoidal waveform. So if the supposed brainwashing technology is scalar based, there are no known barriers at the moment that will block the waveforms.

Scalar waves ? OOoooh - sounds yummy. Straight through a Faraday cage, despite its short-circuit ? I'll go look them up. Doesn't sound very likely, but my mind is open......

Chalky White

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11-12-2005 07:33

Uh-uh. Scalar waves look like pseudoscience to me, allied to Tesla etc. Not accepted by the scientific community. Impossible to repeatably detect without huge and ludicrous equipment etc etc.
Written about by renegade geniuses with Russian names, who are probably making money from it.
In other words. at first sight, a load of cr*p.
A fitting partner for mind control, perhaps.

Unless someone can come up with three good, academically respectable links ?

Malachi Petunia

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Join date: 21 Sep 2003

Posts: 3,414

11-12-2005 08:02

From: Ellie Edo

Science tells us ...

Pffft, science.

Pretty effective rejoinder, no?

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Moss Talamasca

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Join date: 20 Aug 2005

Posts: 367

11-12-2005 08:26

/me begins work on his 6mm wire mesh hamster ball.

Remember Gene Hackman in Enemy of the State? I haven't looked up into the sky since.

Susie Boffin

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Join date: 15 Sep 2004

Posts: 2,151

11-12-2005 18:51

From: Euterpe Roo

So. . . Is it time to take off my colander? I like to wear it around when I am indoors--mostly on Saturday but sometimes on Friday too.

If I was you I wouldn't take it off yet. The evidence presented is pretty flimsy.

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Foil Hats Enhance not Block Government Radio Signals!
Neehai Zapata Unofficial Parent Join date: 8 Apr 2004 Posts: 1,970	11-11-2005 03:47 Yes, students at MIT have uncovered a major discovery. Rip off your foil hats now! http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ From: someone Conclusion The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations. It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings. _____________________ Unofficial moderator and proud dysfunctional parent to over 1000 bastard children.
Ellie Edo Registered User Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,425	11-11-2005 04:43 Science tells us that no radio waves can penetrate to the interior of a "Faraday Cage" which is a closed box (or sphere) made of conducting material. Tinfoil will do. It can have holes in it so long as they are significantly smaller than the wavelengths it seeks to keep out, so a mere cage will do if the bars are close enough together. Significant protection occurs if the "holes" are smaller than a quarter of the wavelength. Protection is virtually complete if smaller than a tenth wavelength. So for 1.2GHz the holes would need to be smaller than 15mm across to work at all, and 6mm for total protection. A spherical helmet of thin wire with 6mm mesh would be grand, and one would be able to see, speak, breathe, through it, and drink soup with a straw. But there is no way to continue the mesh through your neck, so transmissions would leak up this huge flesh-filled gap, how much one cannot guess. Anyway, anyone who thinks governments are carrying out subtle targetted radio attacks on individual brains is almost certainly bonkers in the first place. Widespread non-targetted radiation, if effective at all, would surely just cause vague widespread ill health and possible long term deterioration. How could that be in the interests of government ? Just a case of people getting paranoid about threats they are not equipped to assess rationally, is it not ? Convince me otherwise (won't be easy). The MIT results are probably a complete spoof, but if not then they result from electrical resonance in the open ended tinfoil cup, with a diameter perhaps close to a multiple of the 60mm (approx 2.3 inch) wavelength. Bit like making a musical note by blowing across the top of a bottle. The "hole" in the bottom is huge (close to half the whole thing). So a protective Faraday cage these "hats" definitely are not. To do anything good at all, they would need to come down close round your neck and under your chin, and incorporate a 6mm mesh faceplate. With a flexible integrated conductive shoulder/chest cape you'd really be in business.
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	11-11-2005 07:04 From: Ellie Edo The MIT results are probably a complete spoof, but if not If not? *If not?* _____________________
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	11-11-2005 07:15 From: Ellie Edo Widespread non-targetted radiation, if effective at all, would surely just cause vague widespread ill health and possible long term deterioration. Yeah... we call it 'The Media'. From: someone How could that be in the interests of government ? Do you really think the gov't wants a healthy, happy, enriched populous capable of making and acting upon its decisions, or a border-line unhealthy, depressed, deadened populous that is easier to control? -Ghoti (damn, where's my tinfoil hat? damned garden gnomes stole it again!) _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Ellie Edo Registered User Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,425	11-11-2005 07:17 From: Selador Cellardoor If not? *If not?* Well, Selador, people in a University Dept who have the necessary equipment easily on hand, and can rig it up to test some crazy hypothesis one rainy afternoon, may well do it and make genuine measurements. Even though the intent, and the reporting, is both ironic and humorous. In a way it is more amusing to make genuine measurements, and report them accurately through normal channels. A subtle form of self- and system-mockery in addition to the mocking of the debunking of the myths of the paranoid..
Ellie Edo Registered User Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,425	11-11-2005 07:24 From: Ghoti Nyak Do you really think the gov't wants a healthy, happy, enriched populous capable of making and acting upon its decisions, or a border-line unhealthy, depressed, deadened populous that is easier to control? Well, in a nation with universal free health care I can see reasons for not spawning lots of sick people, but in the US ? Perhaps you are right. The medical profession might even be in favour, as an assistance to their wallets Perhaps they deliberately target the already independently paranoid, in order to be able to easily discredit them when they protest ? That would be clever.
Euterpe Roo The millionth monkey Join date: 24 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,395	11-11-2005 07:31 So. . . Is it time to take off my colander? I like to wear it around when I am indoors--mostly on Saturday but sometimes on Friday too. _____________________ "Of course, you'd also have to mention . . . furries, Sith Lords, cyberpunks, glowing balls of gaseous neon fumes, and walking foodstuffs" --Cory Edo “One man developed a romantic attachment to a tractor, even giving it a name and writing poetry in its honor." MSN "next week: the .5m torus of "I ate a yummy sandwich and I'm sleepy now"" Desmond Shang
Mike Westerburg Who, What, Where? Join date: 2 May 2004 Posts: 317	11-11-2005 08:12 From: Ellie Edo Science tells us that no radio waves can penetrate to the interior of a "Faraday Cage" which is a closed box (or sphere) made of conducting material. Tinfoil will do. It can have holes in it so long as they are significantly smaller than the wavelengths it seeks to keep out, so a mere cage will do if the bars are close enough together. Significant protection occurs if the "holes" are smaller than a quarter of the wavelength. Protection is virtually complete if smaller than a tenth wavelength. So for 1.2GHz the holes would need to be smaller than 15mm across to work at all, and 6mm for total protection. A spherical helmet of thin wire with 6mm mesh would be grand, and one would be able to see, speak, breathe, through it, and drink soup with a straw. But there is no way to continue the mesh through your neck, so transmissions would leak up this huge flesh-filled gap, how much one cannot guess. Anyway, anyone who thinks governments are carrying out subtle targetted radio attacks on individual brains is almost certainly bonkers in the first place. Widespread non-targetted radiation, if effective at all, would surely just cause vague widespread ill health and possible long term deterioration. How could that be in the interests of government ? Just a case of people getting paranoid about threats they are not equipped to assess rationally, is it not ? Convince me otherwise (won't be easy). The MIT results are probably a complete spoof, but if not then they result from electrical resonance in the open ended tinfoil cup, with a diameter perhaps close to a multiple of the 60mm (approx 2.3 inch) wavelength. Bit like making a musical note by blowing across the top of a bottle. The "hole" in the bottom is huge (close to half the whole thing). So a protective Faraday cage these "hats" definitely are not. To do anything good at all, they would need to come down close round your neck and under your chin, and incorporate a 6mm mesh faceplate. With a flexible integrated conductive shoulder/chest cape you'd really be in business. While this applies for standard Hertzian based EM waves, this does not apply to Scalar wave technology which will pass through any faraday cage, anyday. A scalar wave is a longitudinal based waveform much akin to sound as opposed to having the sinusoidal waveform. So if the supposed brainwashing technology is scalar based, there are no known barriers at the moment that will block the waveforms. _____________________ "Life throws you a lemon, you make lemonade and then plant the seeds"
Chalky White Second Life Resident Join date: 1 Nov 2004 Posts: 140	11-12-2005 07:22 From: Mike Westerburg While this applies for standard Hertzian based EM waves, this does not apply to Scalar wave technology which will pass through any faraday cage, anyday. A scalar wave is a longitudinal based waveform much akin to sound as opposed to having the sinusoidal waveform. So if the supposed brainwashing technology is scalar based, there are no known barriers at the moment that will block the waveforms. Scalar waves ? OOoooh - sounds yummy. Straight through a Faraday cage, despite its short-circuit ? I'll go look them up. Doesn't sound very likely, but my mind is open......
Chalky White Second Life Resident Join date: 1 Nov 2004 Posts: 140	11-12-2005 07:33 Uh-uh. Scalar waves look like pseudoscience to me, allied to Tesla etc. Not accepted by the scientific community. Impossible to repeatably detect without huge and ludicrous equipment etc etc. Written about by renegade geniuses with Russian names, who are probably making money from it. In other words. at first sight, a load of cr*p. A fitting partner for mind control, perhaps. Unless someone can come up with three good, academically respectable links ?
Malachi Petunia Gentle Miscreant Join date: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 3,414	11-12-2005 08:02 From: Ellie Edo Science tells us ... Pffft, science. Pretty effective rejoinder, no? _____________________
Moss Talamasca Serpent & Thistle Join date: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 367	11-12-2005 08:26 /me begins work on his 6mm wire mesh hamster ball. Remember Gene Hackman in Enemy of the State? I haven't looked up into the sky since.
Susie Boffin Certified Nutcase Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,151	11-12-2005 18:51 From: Euterpe Roo So. . . Is it time to take off my colander? I like to wear it around when I am indoors--mostly on Saturday but sometimes on Friday too. If I was you I wouldn't take it off yet. The evidence presented is pretty flimsy. _____________________ "If you see a man approaching you with the obvious intent of doing you good, you should run for your life." - Henry David Thoreau

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