So what happened to all the important topics of politics?

Ok... so after a couple of years of hearing it non stop, abortion, privitizing social security, immigration laws, etc etc, I'm wondering to myself, what happened? The policy seemed to take a dramatic shift from domestic policy to a controlled environment e.g: eavesdropping legality, amongst other things.

Now why has this happened? Plain and simple I think, Bush fails in every topic except for the ones he shows his true colors for. His Fascist intentions...

I'm not simply looking for Impeachment now, I'm thinking I want more from this guy. He's ignored our constitution on many occassions, practically destroying what America has left of its reputation, need I say more? Forget impeachment he should be on trial for treason.

Need I say more?

What say you.

I'd say so, except I'm more concerned with keeping myself, and more particularly, some of my family members, from being accused of treason. Funny that.

I say nothing but refer you to this article that I read today.

This is not only happening in America it's happening across Europe too and most people simply don't care or are too naive or stupid to understand the implications of what's going on. History repeating itself ?

On UK TV last night Christopher Hitchens made a pretty weak attempt to hilite the way the state has taken away our rights by stealth. He just about managed to show how policing has turned from "for the people" to "for the state" but unfortunately, he completely failed to point out the weaknesses of the "terrorism" argument that's being appallingly abused by our governments atm. It did make entertaining viewing though in an ironic sort of way...

It really will not be very long before this kind of documentary is no longer shown on UK television...

repeated on Saturday March 4 2006 Channel 4 ( UK )
04:30 DISPATCHES: STEALING YOUR FREEDOM


I've decided it's time to stand up and be counted, right ( or perhaps I should say left ) thinking people have remained too quiet for too long. Far too much muddle headed liberalism and misplaced "Political Correctness" has created a one party state in the UK. There is so little difference between Labour, Tory and Liberal that it makes no difference.

I marched and demonstrated during Thatchers destruction of the socialist infrastructure, we failed to make a difference back then but I'll do it again if it's the only option I have. To quote a well known phrase ... "I am not a number !" and never will be. If they manage to pass the Identity Card act, I urge everyone in the UK to make the adminstration and implementation of it so damned expensive and difficult that it'll have to be repealled just as it was after WWII.

There is no way I am ever going to carry an identity card.

What is this article supposed to do? It 's nothing but a rant from someone named Craig Roberts. What are his credentials? What is his background? What is his job? Where does he get his information from? It's all opinion.

He's just another idealogue. I also noticed the website posted and article from the 'oh so intelligent' Cindy Sheehan.

The Information Clearing House according to the website author is "One person's effort to correct the distorted perceptions provided by commercial media".

Distortion is a matter of perspective.

It's unbelievable how all you radical donkey's bitch and moan about the pachyderms in power and when the day comes to do something about, it turns out the rest of the country doesn't agree with you.

Suck it up and quit crying and next time be an activist and get people to rock the vote.

Briana Dawson

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"Dr. Roberts [send him mail] is Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, former contributing editor for National Review, and a former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions. "

Why so angry about that article? Did anyone say it was fact or opinion. As for his credentials, did you even bother reading the article or did you just click the link, find it was from ICH, and just simply disregard it? Kendra already posted his credentials for you, though, so you don't have to go back and read it.

Who cares if it's someone else's opinion? Did anyone say it was fact? You are entitled to your own opinion, why can't anyone else have an opposing opinion? The OP's first paragraph had me thinking I'd seen something like that somewhere before, so I thought I'd share it. Suck it up and quit whining that anyone is of the opinion that some of our Constitutional rights are being phased out. It really has nothing to do with which party is in power - I think they're both corrupt.

That part only I agree with, as I said, proper thinking people have sat back in their armchairs for far too long. But the rest of your rant is typical, simply resort to personal attacks when someone posts something you don't agree with. Let me ask you, do you actually know why you don't agree ?

Do you honestly think America is so great it can rule the world by using it's bullying tactics to beat the rest of us into submission ?

Do you really believe the rest of the world cannot see the totally unashamed hypocricy of your nation's foreign policies ?

Do you think that by imprisoning and torturing political prisoners with no chance of release that other extreme nations of the world respect you and think you're a great role model ?

Do you think Islam is somehow less significant than Christianity ?

Do you think your huge unethical govt supported corporations can trample on the poor of Africa, Indonesia, Eastern Europe and other poor nations for much longer ?

Do you think those nations respect you for that ?

Do you think the world doesn't see how you prop up the Israeli war against Palestine and fail to recognise democracy when YOU don't like what happens when people vote.

Do you think people don't understand the Iraq war has nothing to do with terrorism and is all about consolidation of American power in the middle east ?

Do you actually think at all ?

Believe me I can go on and on and on and make list of 100s of valid reasons to dislike the current American administration. I am not talking about individual American people here! I have many good American freinds, especially since I came to SL. People who are aware of what's going on but feel powerless to stop it. But let me tell you, as if you needed it, that the perception around the world that Americans do not care and are only interested in propping up the aura of selfishness and greed they've created around themselves. When it comes to any real lasting good being done around the world it seems it's only ever done with self interest at the heart of it very very very little selfless benefaction even by your so called christian organisations ( there's another story ). And don't try and tell me it's not possible because it is. But it requires a sea change of political thinking in a country so deeply polluted with national pride and self importance that it'll probably take another world war to make you realise. And that is very likely what will happen if the brakes aren't applied very soon.

Well hurry up, will ya. I've already cleared out one of my bedrooms for the use of liberating troops.

Basically that's the point of this thread. The thing is, we can talk and talk and talk about it all day long. However, getting the view out there is simply the first step. OTHER people have to recognize what's going on before we can take steps to stop it from happening. As for me, it maybe a strong word, but for what has happened, treason is only the legal recourse that would give me the justice I'm looking for.

What exactly is it going to take for us to stop it all before its too late?
Involuntary Military Service?
Draft?
Another threat of war? (this is already occuring for Iran)

I don't know how exactly to get the word out, since I have no public influence (nor am I important for that matter).

It's already affecting my daily life in the corporate world, it'll soon develop to my personal life as well.

So no, this isn't crying for what say you. I see the warning signs, I see history repeating itself, I don't want to end up like a post WW2 Germany.

There's been no dramatic shift. Since the 1960's the standard has been that international communications are fair game. James Bamford's PUZZLE PALACE provides details.

http://www.powells.com/biblio?PID=29928&cgi=product&isbn=0140067485

No matter which major party is in power, some Americans will be afraid and fearful for their future and their rights. Gloating and pissing people off doesn't make America a better place.