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Lucca Kitty
Connie Dobbs' Incarnation
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12-28-2005 16:59
From: Patric Henry Give me liberty or give me death. From: Thomas Jefferson A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. From: Thomas Jefferson Those who would sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither freedom nor safety. - Thomas Jefferson Here it comes... From: Declaration of Independance All men are created equal and are endowed with certain inaliable rights, amongst these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Get ready for it... From: Admentment IV of the United States Constitution The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. And here's the irony From: President George Walker Bush I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. What do we do with presidents that break their oath of office? To people so far to the right wing, anyone further left than them is a tree hugging hippy liberal. Heck, I recall during Bush's first election, they were calling him the "Liberal Repuclican". Anybody else remember that? And just for people out there who have a problem with liberals (I'm a moderate but what the hey...), here's a quote from a right wing zealotte. From: G Gordon Liddy When I was a kid, this was a free country I agree with Mr Liddy there, even though I think he's quite often more of a right wing nutcase, I agree with him... When I was a kid, this was a free country. |
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Stankleberry Sullivan
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12-28-2005 17:09
From: Lucca Kitty Here it comes...
Get ready for it...
And here's the irony
What do we do with presidents that break their oath of office?
To people so far to the right wing, anyone further left than them is a tree hugging hippy liberal. Heck, I recall during Bush's first election, they were calling him the "Liberal Repuclican". Anybody else remember that?
And just for people out there who have a problem with liberals (I'm a moderate but what the hey...), here's a quote from a right wing zealotte.
I agree with Mr Liddy there, even though I think he's quite often more of a right wing nutcase, I agree with him... When I was a kid, this was a free country. If there's ever a Democrat president again, you will suddenly feel like you are living in a free country, even though the government will continue to do all of the things they've always been doing. "Oh my god no, the US government is listening to calls between terrorists and people in the US!! How could we allow such a thing to take place?! It's insane!!!" Haha |
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Rickard Roentgen
Renaissance Punk
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12-28-2005 17:25
When I was a kid, Reagan was president. All we were fighting was a cold war  . At least that I knew about. Not sure if we're any less free now. I would say I'm more free, but that might just mean I'm more capable and knowledgeable. If I were to be drafted, then i would consider my freedom violated. |
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Lecktor Hannibal
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12-28-2005 19:00
I pray for the draft to return.
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Introvert Petunia
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12-28-2005 19:43
I was talking with someone today who said something to the effect of "and people thought Lewinski was a scandal and undermined the presidency???" Parties aside (they're virtually indistinguishable to me) I'd far prefer an ill-placed cigar to this mockery of a travesty of a farce. From: Senator Barbara Boxer (CA) On Sunday, December 18, former White House Counsel John Dean and I participated in a public discussion that covered many issues, including this surveillance. Mr. Dean, who was President Nixon’s counsel at the time of Watergate, said that President Bush is ‘the first President to admit to an impeachable offense.’ This startling assertion by Mr. Dean is especially poignant because he experienced first hand the executive abuse of power and a presidential scandal arising from the surveillance of American citizens. |
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
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12-28-2005 22:55
I love Senator Boxer... she's like a pitbull in heels.
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
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12-28-2005 23:03
don't forget this one: From: Dubya
I am a stupid f***ing idiot destroying our nation. YEEEEEHAW!
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Bill Diamond
when all else fails...x=8
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12-29-2005 06:06
From: someone
Patrick Henry
March 23, 1775.
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us [2Chron. 32:8]. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone [Eccl. 9:11]; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace [Jer. 6:14]. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle [Matt. 20:6]? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Have you even read any of these writings....or did you just throw up a bunch of quotes to sound cool?
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From: someone We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. |
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Bill Diamond
when all else fails...x=8
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12-29-2005 06:18
... From: someone Originally Posted by Samuel Adams
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. |
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Roxie Marten
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12-29-2005 07:07
"A politican is the best man money can buy" Will Rogers
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Ananda Sandgrain
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12-29-2005 08:47
Getting rid of Bush will have to wait until he commits a crime that is small-time enough for people to be able to face it. Deliberately violating fundamental Constitutional principles, misleading the entire country, getting thousands killed, handing out billions to special interests, etc., are too large to deal with. It's going to take something like catching him stealing the neighbor's cable to send him to jail where he belongs.
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Stankleberry Sullivan
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12-29-2005 08:54
From: Ananda Sandgrain Getting rid of Bush will have to wait until he commits a crime that is small-time enough for people to be able to face it. Deliberately violating fundamental Constitutional principles, misleading the entire country, getting thousands killed, handing out billions to special interests, etc., are too large to deal with. It's going to take something like catching him stealing the neighbor's cable to send him to jail where he belongs. Here is an article that can help you understand that Bush didn't mislead anyone. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0512280311dec28,0,7879020.story?coll=chi-newsopinion-hedYou won't read it, and even if you do you'll just dismiss most of it because it doesn't fit with your religious beliefs about how things work, but there it is. You belong in jail. |
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Ananda Sandgrain
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12-29-2005 09:41
If you are going to say something ridiculous like that you should at least link to an article which makes your case. This article documents that the administration did in fact repeatedly mislead the public.
As for your threat, please note that collaborators in tyrannical regimes find their heads go missing at the hands of the ruler pretty much as often as real enemies of the regime do.
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Introvert Petunia
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12-29-2005 09:46
First of all, "you belong in jail because you hold a different opinion than I do" is pretty far down on the "how to influence people" scale and is a tad rude. I did read the article you cited but fail to see any connection with religion. Did you perhaps mean "dogma" or "prejudice" or "gestalt informed by many years of similar experience"? Finally, did you read the article you cited? It is far from laudatory: In putting so much emphasis on illicit weaponry, the White House advanced its most provocative, least verifiable case for war when others would have sufficed.
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Of the White House's nine arguments for war, the implications of this warning about Iraq's intentions are treacherous to imagine--yet also the least possible to declare true or false.
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The drumbeat of White House warnings before the war made Iraq's terror activities sound more ambitious than subsequent evidence has proven. Based on what we know today, the argument that Hussein was able to foment global terror against this country and its interests was exaggerated.
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No compelling evidence ties Iraq to Sept. 11, 2001, as the White House implied. Nor is there proof linking Al Qaeda in a significant way to the final years of Hussein's regime. By stripping its rhetoric of the ambiguity present in the intel data, the White House exaggerated this argument for war. Not exactly damning, but I wouldn't want that on my resume. Also, I think most of this thread is about the imperious declaration by Bush that unwarrented domestic surveilance is his prerogative and it doesn't matter if the law, which is the congress, which is the people, have said otherwise. Were you trying to be irrelevant and inflamatory? |
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Stankleberry Sullivan
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12-29-2005 10:10
From: Ananda Sandgrain If you are going to say something ridiculous like that you should at least link to an article which makes your case. This article documents that the administration did in fact repeatedly mislead the public.
As for your threat, please note that collaborators in tyrannical regimes find their heads go missing at the hands of the ruler pretty much as often as real enemies of the regime do. Hahaha, I don't think you know how to read. If you actually read the article, you'd see that the "Bush lied" stuff is idiotic. I guess it's too late now for you to worry about believing idiotic things. Threat? You seriously don't know how to read. I didn't threaten you. |
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Stankleberry Sullivan
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12-29-2005 10:16
From: Introvert Petunia First of all, "you belong in jail because you hold a different opinion than I do" is pretty far down on the "how to influence people" scale and is a tad rude.
I did read the article you cited but fail to see any connection with religion. Did you perhaps mean "dogma" or "prejudice" or "gestalt informed by many years of similar experience"?
Also, I think most of this thread is about the imperious declaration by Bush that unwarrented domestic surveilance is his prerogative and it doesn't matter if the law, which is the congress, which is the people, have said otherwise. Were you trying to be irrelevant and inflamatory? I wasn't saying that the other person should be in jail because they have a different opinion, I was just responding to their idiocy about how Bush should be in jail. There are many ways to influence people. It's fun to pick little parts out of articles while ignoring the main points. The point of the article is that Bush didn't lie about what everyone believed about Iraq before the war. I quoted the post I was replying to, that person was whining about how Bush lied. My article shows them that they're wrong. That's why I posted it. |
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Jeska Linden
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12-29-2005 10:51
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Uber Hathor
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12-30-2005 09:42
For five years now, half the population of this country has had to listen to the other half constantly whine and complain about President George W. Bush. I think most have showed incredible patience and restrain. Now, finally, here in our own little virtual world, we have a true patriot who has shown the other half how it feels to have IMPEACH BUSH constantly in your face. It's a big pain in the behind, is it not? Do unto others |
