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Champie Jack
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11-16-2005 22:42
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-17-2005 10:18
It is interesting... Does this mean that we need to find someone else to blame for the war in Iraq?
Let us suppose, then, that we can find a senator who voted for the 1998 act to remove Saddam Hussein yet did not anticipate that it might entail the use of force, and who later voted for the 2002 resolution and did not appreciate that the authorization of force would entail the removal of Saddam Hussein! Would this senator kindly stand up and take a bow? He or she embodies all the moral and intellectual force of the anti-war movement. By the same alchemy and hypnotism, the INC [Iraqi National Congress] was able to manipulate the combined intelligence services of Britain, France, Germany, and Italy, as well as the CIA, the DIA, and the NSA, who between them employ perhaps 1.4 million people, and who in the American case dispose of an intelligence budget of $44 billion, with only a handful of Iraqi defectors and an operating budget of $320,000 per month. |
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-17-2005 17:28
I am completely surprised that no one has commented on this thread yet. Where are Neehai, Ulrika, Ellie, Michael, Magnum, Raven, or Mulch? I need some entertainment guys, come on!
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Bertha Horton
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11-17-2005 17:32
How long before someone blames the furries?
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Champie Jack
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11-17-2005 17:53
I have an idea!
Let's blame Saddam for the War In Iraq! |
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Mulch Ennui
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11-17-2005 19:16
I am completely surprised that no one has commented on this thread yet. Where are Neehai, Ulrika, Ellie, Michael, Magnum, Raven, or Mulch? I need some entertainment guys, come on! the worm did not conceal the hook besides, the writers bias was evident in the 1st paragraph "An exceptionally moth-eaten and shabby picket line outside Ahmad Chalabi's event on Wednesday featured a man with a placard alleging that Bush had prearranged the 9/11 attacks." as an op ed piece, it illustrates what they say about opinions and I am afraid I can't dance the routine you expect the US political scene is far more sick than for 1 party to shoulder the blame entirely. when the same corporations all donate to both parties, it is patently obvious that the two party system is nothing but a low level card force that being said, 1 side doesn't have blood dripping from thier lips as the invoke the name of Christ (whose ENTIRE message was peace and forgiveness) while they blow up civilians from their glass houses /112/b9/70626/1.html#post733804 _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-17-2005 19:34
the worm did not conceal the hook besides, the writers bias was evident in the 1st paragraph...  |
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-17-2005 19:39
This is a good read ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
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11-17-2005 19:43
Christopher Hitchens is an Übertroll. I love it when he gets in bipartisan smack-down mode taking shots at both the U.S. left and right. I enjoy him for that novelty but beyond that his opinion is worth about as much as Prokofy's (although at least Hitchens has an excuse -- he's usually drunk). ~Ulrika~ Don't start tossing about sobriety as a pejorative when you don't know if it's true.  _____________________
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Champie Jack
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11-17-2005 23:34
So far the reactions are:
Biased blood-dripping hypocritical Christian Corporations bolstered by a drunk Ubertroll. |
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-17-2005 23:38
So far the reactions are: Biased blood-dripping hypocritical Christian Corporations bolstered by a drunk Ubertroll. (and, that is an unconfirmed drunk Übertroll)... |
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Mulch Ennui
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11-17-2005 23:44
actually, in a representative government, it is the citizens who hold the ultimate blame
but blaming ourselves, why that would be un-American! much better to stick our bloated asses in our SUVs, eat some McFood and swear at our bigscreen plasma TVs  they hate our way of life, so kill them! _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Champie Jack
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11-18-2005 00:27
actually, in a representative government, it is the citizens who hold the ultimate blame but blaming ourselves, why that would be un-American! much better to stick our bloated asses in our SUVs, eat some McFood and swear at our bigscreen plasma TVs they hate our way of life, so kill them! So, are you saying it isn't solely George Bush's fault? |
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Mulch Ennui
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11-18-2005 00:45
So, are you saying it isn't solely George Bush's fault? does a puppet pull its own strings? _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-18-2005 00:47
actually, in a representative government, it is the citizens who hold the ultimate blame What if I did vote for them, but had no idea they were going to do the things they did? What if those I did vote for had nothing to do with the bad things, but they were already in play by others? but blaming ourselves, why that would be un-American! much better to stick our bloated asses in our SUVs, eat some McFood and swear at our bigscreen plasma TVs they hate our way of life, so kill them! They hate my life, and threaten to kill me with a credible threat. Still probably not (depending on the credibility). They come at my wife, kids, family, neighbors, etc. and do some killing. I may just not be the Christian I want to be. After 911, I was ready to join one of the military branches (even tried, can't, too old and only son of an only son of a military vet who died in active duty). But I can guarantee you this, if someone comes after my family, I will not hold back. Jesus will have to forgive me for that one if He will... |
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-18-2005 00:51
I am completely surprised that no one has commented on this thread yet. Where are Neehai, Ulrika, Ellie, Michael, Magnum, Raven, or Mulch? I need some entertainment guys, come on! Typical sub-standard Opinion trash Contracted by Boy George to throw the public and keep his sorry stolen presidency running on fumes. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-18-2005 00:56
NEWSFLASH:
For those who do not know, here is the truth of the Iraqi War: the Iraqi War was launched to get Boy George Elected President in 2004... And nothing more. |
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Mulch Ennui
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11-18-2005 00:59
What if I did not vote for those who did unpleasant things, am I still guilty by association? What if I did vote for them, but had no idea they were going to do the things they did? What if those I did vote for had nothing to do with the bad things, but they were already in play by others? Are you suggesting our government is not perfect? It is never un-anything to take blame for your own actions, no matter what society seems to think or espouse. I sure wish that the world as a whole would take responsibility for the things they do, it would make life a lot more simple. yup Well, my ass may be a bit bloated (6'6" @ 235#s). you sound like a string bean I do not own an SUV ('91 Honda Civic). me too, black I do frequent Mickey D's at times though... yuck My TV is a 27" we bought 9 years ago. But, we don't watch it much, cable is for internet work. similar Nope. They hate my life, and threaten to kill me with a credible threat. Still probably not (depending on the credibility). What makes it credible? that fact that we had 1 terrorist attack in the last 50 years on US soil? still, you did say probably not, so it seems you understand the limitation of this "enemy" They come at my wife, kids, family, neighbors, etc. and do some killing. When did they do this? I may just not be the Christian I want to be. we are all sinners and should aspire... After 911, I was ready to join one of the military branches Did a country song inspire that? I was pissed too, but attacking any brown thing that moves was the wrong response But I can guarantee you this, if someone comes after my family, I will not hold back. seems many people living in Iraq who have lost family members to US bombs, you know, the "collateral damage" prolly feel the same way all the worse since Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 thus we have created a circle of violence _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-18-2005 01:20
Are you suggesting our government is not perfect? you sound like a string bean  What makes it credible? that fact that we had 1 terrorist attack in the last 50 years on US soil? still, you did say probably not, so it seems you understand the limitation of this "enemy" When did they do this? Did a country song inspire that? I was pissed too, but attacking any brown thing that moves was the wrong response My first thought was sadness for all the people who were going to or had already died. My second thought was sadness for all those who lost loved ones. My third thought was sadness for all those who were going to loose their life because of this in retaliation. Then I had to explain to my son why I was crying uncontrollably. He was scared that something was very wrong. About an hour later, I say folks from the middle east jumping for joy in the streets at the attack. seems many people living in Iraq who have lost family members to US bombs, you know, the "collateral damage" prolly feel the same way all the worse since Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 thus we have created a circle of violence I certainly do think the attack on Afghan soil was required. And, I would do everything I can to defend my family, friends, and neighbors, even if it meant killing. The mind set of Bin Laden is not unique, and it is not contained only in the "brown skinned" countries. There are those right here in the US that are as white as any SS officer, that would do in our country in a heart beat. I would defend against them as well. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-18-2005 01:26
No, I did not suggest it. But I will state it right here, right now. Our government is FAR from perfect. That being said, I think it is the best form of government on the planet at this time. Maybe... According to the US health department, I am borderline obese I don't know for sure, it would be on a case by case basis. I didn't say they did, it was a hypothetical. Nope. I was sitting on my couch with my 2 and a half year old son on my lap watching the second plane fly into the second tower on 911. It was the first time my son saw me cry. My first thought was sadness for all the people who were going to or had already died. My second thought was sadness for all those who lost loved ones. My third thought was sadness for all those who were going to loose their life because of this in retaliation. Then I had to explain to my son why I was crying uncontrollably. He was scared that something was very wrong. About an hour later, I say folks from the middle east jumping for joy in the streets at the attack. I am not making excuses for Iraq. I go back and forth on how I feel about it. I have had friends that have gone there, and some that never came back alive. I have also talked with friends who have family still in Iraq, some of them are for the war, some of them not. People dying sucks, no matter what the reason. I certainly do think the attack on Afghan soil was required. And, I would do everything I can to defend my family, friends, and neighbors, even if it meant killing. The mind set of Bin Laden is not unique, and it is not contained only in the "brown skinned" countries. There are those right here in the US that are as white as any SS officer, that would do in our country in a heart beat. I would defend against them as well. I actually wonder if Bin Laden was still alive at the time of the so-called terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001. Just on a side note: George the Second couldn't have it so lucky. A Terrorist Attack that came at the right moment to lift his sorry poll numbers up for a few years and help him launch a needless, worthless and pointless war just to get himself elected President in 2004. |
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Kris Ritter
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11-18-2005 01:50
I actually wonder if Bin Laden was still alive at the time of the so-called terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001. Me too. I believe he was dead at the time but was resurrected by some Afghan witchdoctor to become the undead zombie king of the Taliban in time for his more recent tv appearances in 2002 and 2004. |