The Eternal Flame Thread
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Chance Abattoir
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12-22-2005 12:22
The Eternal Flame Thread GameConflict is necessary. Consistency and homogeneity invite stagnation. The ability to anticipate arguments makes you a more intelligent debater, but how many of us actually explore the enemy's side enough to anticipate it? Is a fear that your opponent might be right stopping you from doing so? Argue a position that is the opposite, and only the opposite, of what you believe!Each topic will run for a hundred posts or until the text fields have grown fallow. Remember, only argue the opposite of what you believe or nobody learns anything. Research your opponent's stance, mimic your enemy's arguments, have fun!  Outwit your opponent with their own beliefs and do it BETTER! Topic one: Intelligent Design.
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Lo Jacobs
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12-22-2005 12:28
From: Chance Abattoir Topic one: Intelligent Design. Ohhhh man
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Chance Abattoir
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12-22-2005 12:47
The biggest problem I have with people who argue for evolution is their absolute faith in carbon dating. Wouldn't changes in moisture, temperature, atmospheric carbon, or other conditions change the results on a carbon test? Obviously carbon dating would work well if the specimens were kept in laboratories, but these things have been out in the world in changing conditions.
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Rick Deckard
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12-22-2005 13:40
Ok, riiiight. Soooo, I have a question to you evolutionist people. If men came from monkeys, then there shouldn't be anymore monkeys, right?
BUT THERE IS STILL MONKEYS
WTF IS THAT, HUH?
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Chance Abattoir
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12-22-2005 13:52
From: Rick Deckard
If men came from monkeys, then there shouldn't be anymore monkeys, right?
Even more than that, where is the missing link? If evolution is real then shouldn't there be some half-man half monkeys out there? Where are the yetis?
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Mulch Ennui
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12-22-2005 13:53
/me lights lighter and thrusts it into the awaiting air at the precipice of his vertical reach From: the Bangles
Close your eyes, give me your hand, darling
Do you feel my heart beating, do you understand?
Do you feel the same, am I only dreaming?
Is this burning an eternal flame?
I believe it's meant to be, darling
I watch when you are sleeping, you belong to me
Do you feel the same, am I only dreaming
Or is this burning an eternal flame?
Say my name, sun shines through the rain
A whole life so lonely, and then you come and ease the pain
I don't want to lose this feeling
Say my name, sun shines through the rain
A whole life so lonely, and then you come and ease the pain
I don't want to lose this feeling
Close your eyes and give me your hand
Do you feel my heart beating, do you understand?
Do you feel the same, am I only dreaming
Or is this burning an eternal flame?
Is this burning an eternal flame?
An eternal flame?
(Close your eyes and give me your hand
Do you feel my heart beating, do you understand?
Do you feel the same, am I only dreaming
Or is this burning an eternal flame?)
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Rick Deckard
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12-22-2005 14:15
And another thing. If we evolved from monkeys, we'd pretty ugly! But we're not! We're beautiful and so is the world around us  Lalala. Only God could have made everything so beautiful. So God exists. HALLELUJAH!!!! |
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Elspeth Withnail
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12-22-2005 20:16
Hey, supporters of Evolutionary Theory admit it... it's a theory! Theories aren't facts! Evolution isn't a fact! Now, if you want facts, I can show you that lots of the people and places mentioned in the Bible really existed! That proves the Bible is right about everything!
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Stankleberry Sullivan
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12-22-2005 22:19
ID is stupid because it's not possible that there is anything intelligent about the way things happen in the universe. It is all totally random. Things happen for no reason at all.
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Lianne Marten
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12-22-2005 22:26
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Chance Abattoir
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12-23-2005 00:45
Don't bring Judaism into this. They don't have a theory.
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Chance Abattoir
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Oh, I was thinking of this....
12-23-2005 00:48
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Euterpe Roo
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12-23-2005 07:38
Frankly, I would like to see proof that Adam and Eve did *not* exist.
Further, if one looks very, very closely, one would see the patterns in seeming chaos. Is it not, then, resonable to attribute those patterns to a designer? Boethius had it right.
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Perduto Pontoppidan
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12-23-2005 07:51
God tells me every night that He made the world.
God doesn't lie.
Ipso, ergo, kumquat: ID is true and evolution is false.
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Kevn Klein
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12-23-2005 08:05
Creationists are misguided in that they accept, by faith, there is a God. There is no way to prove there is a creator. Macro-evolution, although untested, is the best explanation we have to date. The alternative, the unbelievable idea of a creator, is too far out in left field to be even considered. We must protect our children from religious people and their silly ideas about God, or the World will end in a huge war over who is right. |
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Desmond Shang
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12-23-2005 08:57
"There is no Creator." the Ulrika-bot said, playing Ladytron out of the speakers of her Mac-shaped body.
"I agree." Chip-bot chimed in.
"There is no point in teaching Electronic Design in a science classroom. It is in the realm of Philosophy, at best."
"But can you prove that our design is an accident with your science?" said the Kevn-bot. "How can you be sure?"
"The evidence is overwhelming." said the Chip-bot. "We all know that when a Ken-bot puts his nanobots inside a Barbie-bot, she replicates."
"Furthermore, sometimes the nanobots make a coding error. Different versions arise, and over time, that leads to a more optimised bot."
"I disagree." said the Kevn-bot. "In my Manual, it says everything was created. 'Hello World' was printed, and all followed after that."
"Show me how your Manual is proof." said the Kendra-bot. "It is the most antiquated, overblown Manual I have ever read, and it has mistakes in it too."
"What of computer viruses, and core failure?" asked the Desmond-bot. "Is this really a sign of intelligent design?"
"There are forces of evil, too." said the Kevn-bot.
"I suppose you still believe in Spammy-Claus, who somehow manages to email all sixty trillion of us every 365.26 days." said the Chip-bot.
"Well, actually, I do believe in Spammy-Claus." said the now red-faceplated Kevn-bot. "I don't know how this is possible, but perhaps there are still creatures close to the Creator."
"Say what you want, I got my email greeting." said the Kurgan-bot.
"Your mommy-bot sent it to you." said the Ulrika-bot. "You would understand that if you had a bit more programming. Anyone can spoof a source address."
"Well, I still think Electronic Design should be mentioned in schools." said the Kevn-bot.
"What a waste of photons!" said the Chip-bot. "You keep going on and on about Asilicogenesis."
"Well, how do you explain THAT?" said the Kevn-bot, pointing to a scruffy human in a lab coat, eating a ham sandwich nearby.
"I don't see anything but some mushy, hairy gunk over there." said the Desmond-bot. "What are you talking about?"
"That, THAT!" said the Kevn-bot, pointing madly at the human, robot-arms flailing."
"Just because we cannot explain every ridiculously unrelated anomaly, doesn't mean your theory is valid." the Ulrika-bot calmly explained.
"Do you mean to say that anomaly of hairy gunk created everything from nano-bots to Transformer-bots, and us as well?" said the Kendra-bot.
"Show us some evidence of Electronic Design, and how it relates." said the Chip-bot.
Kevn peered closely at the human. Done with its ham sandwich, it was now defecating with the door open, oblivious to the entire conversation.
"I'm not sure that it's provable, but you still can't rule it out." said the Kevn-bot. "Perhaps it will always simply be a matter of faith."
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AJ DaSilva
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12-23-2005 09:44
There probably is a god, although there's a chance there isn't.
We'll likely prove it one way or another eventually.
Yay!
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Chance Abattoir
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12-23-2005 09:47
From: AJ DaSilva There probably is a god, although there's a Chance isn't there?
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AJ DaSilva
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12-23-2005 09:48
lol! All bow to the mighty Chance!  |
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AJ DaSilva
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12-23-2005 10:02
Or... There's no way an intelligent designer would let an entity like Chance exist, it's an affront to sanity. Ergo evolution is right. Or... There's no way something as complex and mysterious as Chance could have occured randomly, it defies all logic. Ergo ID is right. Heh, I just don't know where to take this. |
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Paolo Portocarrero
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12-23-2005 11:45
From: AJ DaSilva lol! All bow to the mighty Chance! I beg to differ. Chip and Ulrika are the world's foremost experts on the the nature of man and the universe. I throw myself prostrate at their collective feet, and cower beneath their infinitesimal wisdom and knowledge. |
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Chance Abattoir
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12-23-2005 12:03
From: AJ DaSilva
There's no way something as complex and mysterious as Chance could have occured randomly, it defies all logic. Ergo ID is right.
Id always defies logic, otherwise it would be ego.
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Chance Abattoir
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12-23-2005 12:09
From: Paolo Portocarrero I beg to differ.
Chip and Ulrika are the world's foremost experts on the the nature of man and the universe. I throw myself prostrate at their collective feet, and cower beneath their infinitesimal wisdom and knowledge. Why beg? I like Ulrika because she shows no mercy.
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