Fun with Pork; or, How to get what you want in politics
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Lianne Marten
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12-20-2005 23:18
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002693328_anwr20m.htmlFrom: someone [Rep. Dave Reichert] and the other Northwest representatives in Congress were forced to choose between opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to oil exploration or voting against a key military funding bill during wartime.
That's because the ANWR provision had been attached to the $453 billion defense appropriations bill, which guarantees paychecks to troops serving in Iraq, a 3 percent military pay raise and money for major weapons procurement.
The bill, which also includes money to clean up after Hurricane Katrina, passed the House 308-106. From: someone The House previously tried to stick it in a wider budget bill aimed at cutting the deficit.
"This is an affront to the process, a backdoor way of doing things," [Senator Maria Cantwell] said. The House's work on the defense bill technically ended Friday afternoon with an agreement by House leaders from both parties. ANWR was not in the bill at that time. But later members heard that Stevens and Young wanted to add the ANWR measure.
"I hung around all this weekend, waiting to see what they were doing," Cantwell said.
The buzz about ANWR intensified Sunday, but Democrats complained that they were not allowed to see what language had been inserted in the measure.
"We were finally told we had a package at 1:30 in the morning," said Smith, the Tacoma Democrat, and "then we voted on it only three hours later.
"It could be weeks before we find out all that was stuck into the bill after we had all agreed on its contents on Friday afternoon," he added.
At 2:13 a.m. Monday, Reichert was formally told about ANWR's inclusion in the defense bill. He had already asked House Speaker Dennis Hastert not to include ANWR in the wider budget bill, and had written House leaders last week opposing any more maneuvering on ANWR.
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Lo Jacobs
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12-20-2005 23:21
Oh sorry I thought this was a thread about Prok
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Lianne Marten
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12-20-2005 23:22
From: Lo Jacobs Oh sorry I thought this was a thread about Prok Oh sorry, I forgot Off Topic is a bad place to talk about things that people think are important. |
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Chip Midnight
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12-20-2005 23:27
I read about that earlier. It's just disgusting. I think it's also a violation of house rules. Stevens has to be one of the most monumental assholes in the history of US government.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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12-20-2005 23:29
From: Chip Midnight I read about that earlier. It's just disgusting. I think it's also a violation of house rules. Stevens has to be one of the most monumental assholes in the history of US government. Dirty bastards, the lot of 'em. ~Ulrika~
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Jeffrey Gomez
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12-20-2005 23:29
Chalk up one more to the death of any decency in Washington.
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Lo Jacobs
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12-20-2005 23:29
From: Lianne Marten Oh sorry, I forgot Off Topic is a bad place to talk about things that people think are important. Sorry but I recently developed an inability to read anything political after scrolling through Billy Grace and Ulrika. Although I agree it sucks. Oh, look, a butterfly.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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12-21-2005 00:02
From: Lo Jacobs Sorry but I recently developed an inability to read anything political after scrolling through Billy Grace and Ulrika. What, you don't like moderates? ~Ulrika~
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Lianne Marten
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12-21-2005 00:27
From: Lo Jacobs Sorry but I recently developed an inability to read anything political after scrolling through Billy Grace and Ulrika.
Although I agree it sucks.
Oh, look, a butterfly. Sorry I snapped at you.... I was just mad about the article.  |
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Bill Diamond
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12-21-2005 06:11
Why is it dispicable?
It's OK to attach money to go to Hurricane Katrina to a DEFENSE bill, but not this? (And NO, I'm not saying we shouldn't give $ to the victims of the Hurricane, I'm only saying it has no place attached to a bill designed to fund our troops).
Also, John McCain did the EXACT SAME THING to get his Anti-torture bill passed, why isn't that just as dispicable.
Oh, I know...Because its helps out those evil oil companies, that's why.
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Hank Ramos
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12-21-2005 07:41
From: Lo Jacobs Oh sorry I thought this was a thread about Prok heh, that's what I saw as well!  |
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Chip Midnight
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12-21-2005 08:06
From: Bill Diamond Why is it dispicable? ... From: someone "It could be weeks before we find out all that was stuck into the bill after we had all agreed on its contents on Friday afternoon," he added.
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Euterpe Roo
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12-21-2005 09:29
From: Bill Diamond Why is it dispicable?
It's OK to attach money to go to Hurricane Katrina to a DEFENSE bill, but not this? (And NO, I'm not saying we shouldn't give $ to the victims of the Hurricane, I'm only saying it has no place attached to a bill designed to fund our troops).
Also, John McCain did the EXACT SAME THING to get his Anti-torture bill passed, why isn't that just as dispicable.
Oh, I know...Because its helps out those evil oil companies, that's why. Well, let's see: 1. It was actually a budget not a defense bill 2. ANWR drilling has been disputed in Congress for more than 30 years (which leads one to believe that there is not adequate merit to any of the versions that have been presented--that drilling in ANWR will distroy a unique eco-system already threatened) 3. This kind of activity subverts the will of the people who elected these representatives. I find it disgusting (environmental impact aside) that my desires as a voting member of the electorate are being treated with such insouicance. 4. There has not been sufficient scientific data to indicate that there is actually enough oil in ANWR to make a tremendous difference to the oil companies. The carribou, artic fox, polar bear? Well, that's another story. http://www.wtv-zone.com/upisdown/fun/pork.gif
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Lo Jacobs
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12-21-2005 10:24
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12-21-2005 12:40
There is majority support for drilling. The Senate didn't reject the bill, opponents threatened a filibuster. Big difference. I do agree that the way in which it was added to the Defence Spending Bill is questionable
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Billy Grace
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12-21-2005 12:48
From: Ulrika Zugzwang What, you don't like moderates?
~Ulrika~ Shocking... simply shocking.
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Spinner Poutine
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12-22-2005 02:52
Why do they have to attach anything in the first place, just pick a topic and vote on it. It's always if you pass this ...you get this too and no one is ever happy. That's why nothing ever gets done, Kinda like to many attachments here and it takes forever to rez
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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12-22-2005 06:39
heard on the radio this morning: oil drilling amendment was removed and the bill passed. EDIT: added LINK
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Lianne Marten
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12-22-2005 10:04
From: Spinner Poutine That's why nothing ever gets done, Kinda like to many attachments here and it takes forever to rez Best analogy ever  And hooray! |
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Juro Kothari
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12-22-2005 12:34
From: Zuzu Fassbinder heard on the radio this morning: oil drilling amendment was removed and the bill passed.
Good! There is no valid reason, IMHO, to open this area up for drilling. It would barely make a dent in our consumption, but it *would* damage the environment.
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