Auto Bans and Closed Borders

These auto bans and closed borders have got to go. Everyone is putting them up these days.

I was trying to sail my boat on an inland sea, and ran across these auto bans quite frequently. They don't give you any warning. The next thing I know, I'm sitting on the bottom of the ocean, and my boat has been returned.

There should be no reason to have a closed border, or an autoban. SL should be open to all. I don't mind the security bots that give you 30 seconds to leave, but to give you no time to react is just ruining SL.

What say everyone else?

I do my sailing in Dreamland. There are people putting up ban lines there too, but the angels get them taken down reasonably quickly.

I'm afraid the mainland is getting to be a pretty hostile place unfortunately.

Haven't we been over this before in at least two other threads?

"Security" devices which eject with no warning are abusive and are fair game for an Abuse Report (for all the good that'll do). If people are going to be manic about their parcel borders, they should have the honesty to put the Ugly Red Access Lines on so that people know what's going on.

An abuse report for security devices on someone's own land? I don't think so.

I think you'll find you're incorrect about that one.

I'm sure there are those citizens who like to cause problems for all of us on "private" land, but when you land extends out into the channel of a waterway and you use an auto-ban without a minimum time limit, it ruins it for all of us.

I'm just asking that citizens think about their fellow citizens when putting up security screens. If you are having THAT many problems with others dumping garbage on your land, or "trespassing", then send an abuse report about that person.

I was trying to take my lady on a nice cruise in a public waterway, and we hit a hidden border and my ship was returned without warning, and we ended up at the bottom of the ocean. We almost drowned!!!


I once had to abandon some property because all my neighbors set up security screens, and I had trouble even getting to my land without teleporting directly there. No body wanted to buy the land.

I understand all that, but it is not a reportable offense to put security orbs on your own land and for someone to say that it is... well, that's just plain wrong.

It couldn't have been a public waterway then. You must have wondered onto somebodies land for your boat to have been returned.

Well, if the land is in the middle of the ocean (or inland water way), and nothing is built on it, how am I to know I am crossing into someones land. If you want to protect your land, at least build something on it so we can see that there is something there.

You can say what you want, but the owner of that water land is just being an a**hole. This is the reason people are creating anti-ban scripts and such, because of all the a**holes who make using SL difficult. I would like to see a ban of all land security devices at this point, since people don't seem to be able to use them respectfully.

Well, yes. This is the significant point here. It may be allowed by the rules of the world that people can put up banlines in areas which are mostly public land or water, which result in other people being sent without warning to the limbo of 0,0,0 with their boats or planes lost and their shoes implanted in their bottom, and likely having to relog, it may be permissible under the ToS, but it is still the action of an a***hole.

A million other threads, dating to before I was born. It hasn't really got any better. People are still, to use the above terminology, a***holes.

You're absolutely right. People are still assholes. People still have an over-heightened sense of entitlement, thinking they have a right to tell others what they can and can't do on their property, then get all defensive and, well, offensive when told to bugger off, indignantly threatening Abuse Reports for being bonked off someone elses private land, getting their backs up and sneering that there should be signs, that the land owner has a duty to clutter their land with signs and fences etc, rather than having a lovely clear view that they pay for.

People sure are assholes. You're right there, amigo.

Let us not stray into another of _those_ threads. I think it is reasonable for one to expect to be able to move along, say, a Linden waterway without having to worry that if one moves half a metre in the wrong direction, one will be thrown off the grid for no particular reason. What sort of a horse's behind puts such restrictions into effect? Similarly, what sort of a horse's behind wants to put up camp in someone else's back garden, watch their TV and leave fingerprints all over the coffee table, then act all defensive when asked to bugger off?

There is a happy medium to be had here, but it is not aided by the "all-or-nothing" approach suggested by the land tools; nor by the fact that there is very little chance that one might actually be able to talk things over with a particular landowner as they are probably asleep or doing something more interesting.

This is EXACTLY one of _those_ threads, someone, yet again, saying that they have a right to access other people's property.

What's changed? The argument's are still the same...

Well, nothing has changed save the time and date to be honest. Still the issues are unresolved. Ho hum.

*opens pistachios*

And I doubt we're likely to see any resolutions to the issues. We'll probably still be having the same discussions in 2 years time.

However, it does get a little tedious when someone who has been ejected gets on their high horse and demands action against land owners. We don't see threads started by the land owners who have to throw out griefers at least 10 times a day demanding the "right" to ban people from the entire sim, or worse, from SL. Eject, ban, AR, get on with life is how griefers are dealt with, is it too much to ask that rerez, avoid parcel, enjoy life is the way to go for those who have been booted off some land?

I think the main problem here is LL is selling land that is forced to be waterways due to terraform restrictions but does not force them to be navigable. LL creates waterways yet to maximize profit they sell the land and couldn't care less if you can move through the sim or not. There are no clearly defined navigable waterways that actually can take you any distance in SL mainland except the LL made access paths through the sim but in many, many cases they don't match up.

You do know avas cant drown? and since the land you speak of was in the middle of the ocean chances are it was a private sim, and sorry to say the owner can do as he/she wishes with it. that includes limiting who can and cannot access said land or waterway.

When someone comes up with a way to force everyone to play nice then banlines and other restrictions can be gotten rid of. I don't think that's going to happen.

I have a house on the mainland I'm constantly building and changing it. I delete the old and start a new one often. I would love to "show off" my house to most anyone. But since not everyone is polite and respectful I find I have to "bar" my land up to be able to do what I enjoy.

All I have for "protection" is the banlines I chose in my land privedges provided by SL. I try to remember to take them down if I'm finished with what I want to do and I don't plan on any activities that require a symblance of privacy......but I'm not really concerned if I forget.

It's my land. I pay LL for it quarterly. And I'm sorry if you think my right to do what I want is harming your fun. Find a way to make everyone respectful of others then I will never put banlines up again. Don't whine to me or LL...........accept a fact of life.

Sorry, I'm so blunt.

Too late.

When the people who want access to my land start contributing to my monthly tier, or kick in a percentage of the purchase price, then I might consider it. Until that happens, they can stay the hell off my place. Woe to those of us that get tired of finding noobs using our furniture / poseballs / property and then bitch up a storm when we freeze/ban them, or won't let their objects enter our land. I even took down my banlines because I've discovered it's much more fun watching someone get tp'd home than watching them bounce at the edge. 15 seconds worth of popups on your screen and poof you're gone. I don't get many repeaters, so the message must be getting across.

Bottom line - it's private property that someone else paid for. You have no more "right" to be there than you would on my RL home.