This is not a lag problem

i've just donwload the game, i installed it and run it, when the game start, i cant see my character, and the ping (Answer from server to client) is like 100,000 or more, i mean, when i press the forward key, the character moves like 1 minute later, i cant play like that!!!

please someone help me. thnx

We're going to need more info.

Are you on dial-up?

How much RAM do you have?

How fast is your CPU?

What Video card do you have?

Are you runnign any file sharing programs in the background (limewire, kazaa, bittorrent, etc)?

im not a noob you know...

i play online games like BF 2 and COD 2 whit no problem.

im not running any programs in the background, i have 768 mb RAM DDR V. Card FXF 5200, and a Semprom 2300+ 1.6Ghz and 128kbps connection.

is not about the hardware is about the connection, cause the hardware is about the FPS but this is not about the FPS, or lag, this is something diferent i dont know.

What kind of connection? DSL? Satellite? Wired or Wireless?

The more information you provide about your setup the more likely people will be able to figure out the problem.

You should send email to [email]support@secondlife.com[/email] and or call support at the toll free number listed at the bottom of http://secondlife.com/community/support.php .

If your on Dial-up you can forget it.

Many other Systems are Dial-Up but not Second Life.

Here is my Guide to best types of internet connections:

Dial-Up= Forget it (56K very very slow will not work)

Sattelight Downlink/Uplink= Forget it

DSL= Barely Tollerable

T-1= If its at 1,000k its good otherwise its Tollerable

Cable Internet= Perfect if above 1,000K (DIal-up is 56k)


My system with comcast is 3,600K and its on the low side of Cable systems

That is the problem your barely above a dialup connection. Thats why the ping is outragously high.

Ok, no one called you a noob, so no need to get defensive when people are trying to help you.

Your system may not be able to handle SL. I don't know about your video card, it seems a bit old for this game (SL is VERY demanding), but other people might know better about that (I have an OC'd GS6800).

One thing I am sure about, is your connection. I have a 5k connection and still lag, so I'm sure 128 is just not viable. SL requires serious bandwidth.

Sorry.

I apologize for actually trying to help you. I should have immediately been able to telepathically and clairvoyantly pick up your system configuration, connection type, and general PC knowledge level.

I will spare you the full dressing-down of how n00b-ish you have revealed yourself to be.

hahaha noob!!! your not even psychic!!! roflololololololoomgpwn

Moved to Technical Issues.

lets see...

first i wrote this...

i play online games like BF 2 and COD 2 whit no problem.

i mean, i've played a lot of online games, whit no problem is not about my internet connection, other games i've played:

Lineage 2
Knight online
UT2K4

man, im sure my connection is fine, i dont know what it is.

my connection is cable.

i apologize for being rude im really sorry. and i hope you guys can help me.

Have you checked your memory and video card? I recently had to upgrade my memory and upgrade my video card to play the game with barly any lag. It could definatly be the video card as when your in a high detail place with lots of people it has to work harder.

Gargos, in the other games you play everything is stored on the harddrive. Your maps, your textures, your sounds, your avitars... SL doesn't store anything locally. In SL everything is dynamicly built by residents and streamed to you in real time. I hate to say it but the fault lies within your connection speed. No less then 1Mbps is recomended for tolerable performance.

Methinks a math lesson is in order:

127kbps = 127,000 BYTES per second... about a GOOD DSL line worth
Modem=57600 bytes per second = 5.7k

For the record, a T1 is 24 x 6.4k channels, about which 5.7k/channel is usable = 136kbps

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As for the original problem: If you check the fast-timers in debug you will probbably see what I do, occasional spikes (every 5-10 secs) in which the meters will go off the side of the screen and coincide roughly with the ping time spikes. Basically the therory is when the asset servers cant deliver a texture or object in a timely manner the SL client does a "why aint i gettin any data?" and gets stuck in the processing.

Nothing you can do about it either, except yell and scream at Linden Labs and throw a couple of temper tantrums and hope that makes them fix it faster.

The big PROBLEM is that aparently, as near as I can tell, when stuck like that the SL client hogs ALL of the computer resources and refuses to timeshare with any other task... including the network drivers.... which has a nasty habbit of backflowing data

Minor correction: 127 kbps = 127,000 bits per second = (approximately) 12,700 bytes per second.

A byte is 8 bits. Non-data Stop/start and ACK bits add overhead to this, meaning its reasonably correct (and nice in terms of round numbers) to divide bits per second by 10 to get bytes per second.

The absolute lowest speed ADSL line available is 128 kbps: they usually sell this as the cheapest possible alternative. "Normal" ADSL is generally 1.5 Mbps.

A 3.5 Mbps (megabit per second) ADSL link like I have translates into about 350 kilobytes per second. Or about a megabyte of data every three seconds...which translates into being able to download the 25 Megabyte Second Life patch in a little over a minute.

Math is fun...

Back to our friend the original poster- his 128 kbps network is arguably barely adequate to play Second Life. I'm not sure whether that's his only problem, though- the high ping value seems excessive. If Gargos has a friend with a higher speed (> 1 Mbps) network connection that he can drag his machine over to and try, that would likely confirm that the network is his biggest problem.

Hi everyone, I'm not on SL yet, I have to get a new video card first but I've been following this thread and you are all doing a fantastic job trying to explain about the connection speeds but I'm not quite sure I'm fully understanding it and don't know if I'll have trouble in that area when I do get a new card.

My high speed is DSL, where do I find how fast it is??? When I hover my cusor over the icon I get Speed: 100.0 Mbps Sent: 6, 333, 725 bytes Received: 67, 222, 698 bytes I don't see anything with Kbps!

There actually isn't anything in your computer which will tell you how fast your DSL is. That's handled entirely by your modem and your provider. I would think that they would state the speed on your bill. Or at the very least you can call your provider, bill-in-hand, and they should be able to tell you what service you have. What you should pay the most attention to is your download speed. Upload is often only a fraction of yoru download sped, but that's not really an issue. My DSL is 3Mbs down, 786kbps up, and it handles SL just fine, and that's a run-of-the-mill residential connection where I am.

I dont think anyone "talks" as BITS per second anymore.... do they? Certainly no one I know. With today's modem speeds it would be a waste of time to do so

As for the 8 bits = a byte + start/stop I have only one thing to say ... DUH! thats why I was dividing by 10 and not 8

I'm pretty sure every ISP uses bits per second since it's the standard measurement for wide area communication (i.e. baud), and it also looks better when they can say Millions instead of just hundreds of thousands. See: http://www22.verizon.com/ForHomeDSL/channels/dsl/packages/default.asp

Actually, all ISPs and modems still talk in bits per second. Mbps...mega bits per second. The small "b" means bits. A capital B means bytes. Likewise, your LAN speed and wireless is measured in bits per second: 100 Mbps...100 mega bits per second. About 10 Megabytes per second. If you have an 11 Mbps wireless connection, thats 1.1 Megabytes per second. Don't believe me? Try copying a 100 megabyte file over your 11 Mbps wireless. It will take about 100 seconds.




I think I see what you were intending, Jitar, but here's a quote from your earlier message:



The point of confusion- bandwidth isn't normally measured in bytes per second, not by ISPs or network devices such as LAN cards.

If you go and sign up for ADSL and get a "decent" package, you will likely get a 1.5 Megabits per second connection. That's about 150,000 BYTES per second...which I believe is what you are referring to.

As for the rest of what you said in your previous note post...


That's all correct, although the notation should be kBps if you are talking bytes. A T1 connection (which very few people would have to their home) is effectively 1.44 megabits per second. Unlike ADSL, it is symmetrical- 1.44 Mbps both upstream and downstream.

I didn't mean to imply you didn't know what you were talking about, Jitar- sorry if I came across that way. But quoting in Bytes per second is not the way ISPs do it.

Back to the original poster...since ISPs (at least in North America) never normally quote in Bytes per second, its almost a certainty that the user has a 128 kilobit per second connection. Thats 12.8 kilobytes per second, and I imagine Second Life would not play well at all at that rate.

There are several ADSL providers selling these "barely better than a modem" connections as "ADSL Lite" or "Entry level ADSL". Cable providers...when they sell "cheap" packages, they just over commit their bandwidth like crazy, so that you effectively are sharing a few megabits per second with a couple hundred other users. Personally, I think calling these services "high speed" or "high bandwidth" is false advertising....buyer beware, I guess.

this have turned into a technical discution about the internet speed , that wasnt the idea, but i think my question was answer, thnx to everyone. ill see if i try it somewhere else, and ill tell you the results.