Why Do Objects Have to Talk So Much Returning?
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Prokofy Neva
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06-06-2005 14:41
I realize that you can shut off the IMs that come when you are offline, but I wonder why objects have to talk so much coming back to you from where you've left them by accident or when you are forced to return them.
Why? Phil Linden is always talking about the heavy load all these talking things have on the system -- why can't they shut it off at their end?
Just think of the labour involved, even if automated, to have the object record its location, it's time, it's name, etc and then get back to you, and then tell you where it's been. Picture 100 pieces of an unlinked house all flying back from a lot into your inventory, and the stories they tell.
If I've left a prim somewhere by accident, do I really care where it's been? Sometimes it's better NOT to know where an object has been. Couldn't it just come back in the folder and shut up?
Honestly, a tekkie that I asked this about kinda laughed and said there was some big explanation for this. I can't imagine that it is justified except by that often obsessive-compulsive thing that happens in computer systems where if you can take lots of extra information and record it AND send it somewhere, you will. But why? Who cares?
I'm not saying that somewhere, the information isn't needed -- i.e. obviously it has to get from point XYZ to the other point XYZ or back into your folders and that may require writing the coordinates somewhere. But does it also have to leave a message? It's that message I would shut off to save energy and work.
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Juro Kothari
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06-06-2005 16:43
It does get a bit tiring, especially if quite a few are returned, but I would imagine it could also be a savior for those who have object located among many different sims. Having an object tell you where it is missing from would help you to quickly go back and figure out a)what's going on and b)what needs to be replaced.
Maybe they could introduce an option to turn this feature off - allowing those that find it useful to retain it while not burdening those that find it useless?
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Nathan Stewart
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06-06-2005 17:29
Just think of all these, now if i had time to press the button i would, obviously i got logged out and no point in going back lol, why dod i need to know this when the card wasnt even returned to me.
The object 'Tringo Card' has sent you a message from Second Life: Your Tringo card in simname <32,49,25> has been returned because you were away for more than 5 minutes. To avoid getting these messages in the future, please touch the scoreboard to return your card when you leave the game.
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Prokofy Neva
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06-06-2005 22:26
I agree with Nathan. Why do I need to know this?
When I've left a place, I've left it. If I forgot something there, well, it goes back into folders. It doesn't have to give me a whole song and dance.
See, that idea that you might want to go back and see "what's up" is the kind of obsessive compulsive thing I mean about computer systems. Why?
And it isn't that I find this annoying, I'm just thinking if they, the Lindens, who say the system is overburdened with talking stuff, were to focus just on this one piece, they could shut up this chatter.
Probably one in 100 times, one in 1000 times, you would need to return to see "what is up".
Like, on your own property, if you set autoreturn. But it can just say an object is returning without also going to all the work of recording then messaging out where it is. Isn't that extra work that could be cut out?
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Kim Anubis
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06-06-2005 23:00
On numerous occasions I have found it useful to know from where my objects have been returned.
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Prokofy Neva
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06-06-2005 23:21
From: someone On numerous occasions I have found it useful to know from where my objects have been returned. __________________ Why? Couldn't you just be glad they are back? Do you *have* to know where they've been?
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Dakota Callahan
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06-06-2005 23:29
From: Prokofy Neva Why? Couldn't you just be glad they are back?
Do you *have* to know where they've been? Knowing where they've been lets me know if I need to sterilize them, or worse, burn them... 
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Nathan Stewart
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06-06-2005 23:29
Well in my case the message i posted above was for an item that was even returned to me, it just gets poofed by the tringo board, but if you multiply that by all the tringo boards in sl then all the people that log off or just leave a game that can be quite a few messages each day, either as im's or emails too
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Kim Anubis
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06-06-2005 23:36
I'm usually not glad when I get an item back. It means a mall where I had my objects has suddenly been wiped off the grid without notice. Or a friend sold their land, upset and intending to quit SL . . . good thing I got that return notice right away and caught em with an IM before they cashed out and left. Or . . . here comes all the stuff I made with so-n-so . . . that relationship is REALLY over now. My bird got knocked off my parcel again, or the fish. Or, oh crap, here's Roller 3 and Rocks 2 . . . I need to go repair that damn waterfall again.
Suppose one of my Butterfly Bowls is returned. I have a lot of different Butterfly Bowls in inventory, in a lot of colors. If one were to come back without a message, I wouldn't notice right away, or at all. And if it didn't say from where it came . . . well, it could have been from one of between fifteen and twenty shop locations, or my parcel, the apartment I rent, the Botanical Gardens, or a couple of friends' places. I sure wouldn't want to be flying all over the grid to figure it out.
Although it's annoying when they flood my mailbox, I find those messages very useful.
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