Second Life Forums Archive - Why not just cache the inventory on the client in shallow form?

blaze Spinnaker

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04-21-2005 06:48

Why not just cache the inventory (names / folders) on the client?

Do dirty flag / asset / ownership verification when people go to rez and what not in case someone has hacked the cache file.

When the inventory changes, just have a trigger which updates an inventory hash. If the cache and the db are out of sync, then do an inventory refresh.

Cache the library as well, please

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Strife Onizuka

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Join date: 3 Mar 2004

Posts: 5,887

04-21-2005 08:39

*snicker*
This would be a good thing.

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Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river.
- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey

blaze Spinnaker

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04-21-2005 09:51

*snicker*?

I don't really have the energy so:

<long ranting personalizing diatribe goes here>

Anyone else care to elaborate?

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Rickard Roentgen

Renaissance Punk

Join date: 4 Apr 2004

Posts: 1,869

04-21-2005 10:55

I dunno what the snicker was for. This is a good idea blaze. I'm not sure if you download every object in your inventory completely or not when you open a folder, but there's no reason not to cach the inventory entries themselves when you sign off. If you sign on in a different location then a comparison will have to be run, but in the meantime you won't be looking at empty folders. It would cut down a little on what needed to be downloaded each time.

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blaze Spinnaker

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04-21-2005 15:10

I could see a problem with inventory folders getting corrupted but the client itself could rebuild the hash everytime you boot it up. Even if there were 10k+ objects, this wouldn't take long depending on how the hash was constructed.

I'm just finding it really weird that manipulating my inventory folders takes so long.

I think I spent like 10 minutes the other night trying to pick a texture from the library.

Does the library even ever change? I do not understand.

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

blaze Spinnaker

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04-23-2005 18:06

I've thought this through some more, and nothing comes to me why we're not doing this.

Or are we doing this right now but it's implemented in a way that the inventory lag we're seeing still exists?

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Strife Onizuka

Moonchild

Join date: 3 Mar 2004

Posts: 5,887

04-24-2005 04:17

So the other night i was searching my inventory for an item. And the inventory was saying how many items it had downloaded. You know, it got to over 15000. Now i figured i had atleast 4000 items, but 15000 is *alot*.

Guess i shouldn't complain if my inventory is slow to download

_____________________

Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river.
- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey

blaze Spinnaker

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04-25-2005 20:43

Ok so why the mysterious snicker then?

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Dragon Steele

Artist/conservationist

Join date: 3 Jan 2005

Posts: 183

04-27-2005 20:07

Here here I second that! make it an option to cash some of us have more then 2000 some items stored is sucks to what wile they load I rather wait to log in and get the cashed than do it in the middle of a build.

blaze Spinnaker

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04-30-2005 06:03

So, Lindens..

Any feedback on this?

Considering only folders and names are cached, is this not being done for particularly good reasons?

_____________________

Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Strife Onizuka

Moonchild

Join date: 3 Mar 2004

Posts: 5,887

05-01-2005 03:04

i must have been thinking of candy bars at the time. I totaly forget why.

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Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river.
- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey

Reitsuki Kojima

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Join date: 27 Jan 2004

Posts: 5,328

05-01-2005 03:31

From: Strife Onizuka

So the other night i was searching my inventory for an item. And the inventory was saying how many items it had downloaded. You know, it got to over 15000. Now i figured i had atleast 4000 items, but 15000 is *alot*.

Guess i shouldn't complain if my inventory is slow to download

The last number I saw was "24,062" or something like that.

_____________________

I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.

blaze Spinnaker

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05-03-2005 03:19

Maybe Lee could reply to this one as well

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Lee Linden

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Posts: 743

05-03-2005 08:54

Perhaps this is a better post for Feature Suggestions?

blaze Spinnaker

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05-03-2005 09:10

I guess, but what's the feature suggestion?

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

05-16-2005 01:47

I think LL needs to leverage the community better.

The fact is, this our businesses as well. Our businesses suffer when SL suffers. I'm not complaining that LL isn't able to keep SL up, I'm complaining that LL won't let us *HELP* keep SL up.

Why not just cache the inventory on the client in shallow form?
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-21-2005 06:48 Why not just cache the inventory (names / folders) on the client? Do dirty flag / asset / ownership verification when people go to rez and what not in case someone has hacked the cache file. When the inventory changes, just have a trigger which updates an inventory hash. If the cache and the db are out of sync, then do an inventory refresh. Cache the library as well, please _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	04-21-2005 08:39 snicker This would be a good thing. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-21-2005 09:51 snicker? I don't really have the energy so: <long ranting personalizing diatribe goes here> Anyone else care to elaborate? _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Rickard Roentgen Renaissance Punk Join date: 4 Apr 2004 Posts: 1,869	04-21-2005 10:55 I dunno what the snicker was for. This is a good idea blaze. I'm not sure if you download every object in your inventory completely or not when you open a folder, but there's no reason not to cach the inventory entries themselves when you sign off. If you sign on in a different location then a comparison will have to be run, but in the meantime you won't be looking at empty folders. It would cut down a little on what needed to be downloaded each time. _____________________
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-21-2005 15:10 I could see a problem with inventory folders getting corrupted but the client itself could rebuild the hash everytime you boot it up. Even if there were 10k+ objects, this wouldn't take long depending on how the hash was constructed. I'm just finding it really weird that manipulating my inventory folders takes so long. I think I spent like 10 minutes the other night trying to pick a texture from the library. Does the library even ever change? I do not understand. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-23-2005 18:06 I've thought this through some more, and nothing comes to me why we're not doing this. Or are we doing this right now but it's implemented in a way that the inventory lag we're seeing still exists? _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	04-24-2005 04:17 So the other night i was searching my inventory for an item. And the inventory was saying how many items it had downloaded. You know, it got to over 15000. Now i figured i had atleast 4000 items, but 15000 is alot. Guess i shouldn't complain if my inventory is slow to download _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-25-2005 20:43 Ok so why the mysterious snicker then? _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Dragon Steele Artist/conservationist Join date: 3 Jan 2005 Posts: 183	04-27-2005 20:07 Here here I second that! make it an option to cash some of us have more then 2000 some items stored is sucks to what wile they load I rather wait to log in and get the cashed than do it in the middle of a build.
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-30-2005 06:03 So, Lindens.. Any feedback on this? Considering only folders and names are cached, is this not being done for particularly good reasons? _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	05-01-2005 03:04 i must have been thinking of candy bars at the time. I totaly forget why. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	05-01-2005 03:31 From: Strife Onizuka So the other night i was searching my inventory for an item. And the inventory was saying how many items it had downloaded. You know, it got to over 15000. Now i figured i had atleast 4000 items, but 15000 is alot. Guess i shouldn't complain if my inventory is slow to download The last number I saw was "24,062" or something like that. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	05-03-2005 03:19 Maybe Lee could reply to this one as well _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Lee Linden llBuildMonkey(); Join date: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 743	05-03-2005 08:54 Perhaps this is a better post for Feature Suggestions?
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	05-03-2005 09:10 I guess, but what's the feature suggestion? _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	05-16-2005 01:47 I think LL needs to leverage the community better. The fact is, this our businesses as well. Our businesses suffer when SL suffers. I'm not complaining that LL isn't able to keep SL up, I'm complaining that LL won't let us HELP keep SL up.

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Why not just cache the inventory on the client in shallow form?