The only way to get TOTAL privacy is really ... ?

Hi everyone,

I just would like to be sure about one precise point in Second Life concerning privacy.

After searching, it looks like the very only one possibility to get a TOTAL privacy with a parcel in second life, and by TOTAL I mean :
-no possibility of entering to someone whos not on the list of course,
-no possibility to see whats going on in there by any means (camera tweaks, etc...),
-no spying any conversation etc...
I mean total privacy and control.

...after searching as I said, it looks like the only choice is to buy a complete sim and also reserve every adjacent sims emplacements (which means the 8 sims places around the one I buy ; thats particulary easy to see what I mean when you look at the the map ^^)

Is this right then ?? Is this really the only possibilty ???
Thanks for your answer.

What the hell is going on in these sims? lol. Plans for world domination? CIA espionage? Top-tier Scientology meetings? New secret Wonka products?

I just don't understand. In essence, the SL avatar you've assumed can easily be constructed for full anonymity from your real life (and in most cases is set up for this in default). Why also, must your AV and [their] habits be completely, and absolutely secret? They are already--in essence--anonymous.

Ok ok...I know. I'm being difficult. Second Life--for some--is about role-play. RP can be a very serious matter. And when you (and other Avs) are 'hanging out' *cough* you don't want a single, solitary soul able to view your 'activities.' It's almost on principal alone...I get it.

I'm just so fascinated by the depth of role-play and privacy some of you assume. I mean...in my eyes, who cares if someone "cams-in" and sees you having sex? And in all honesty, realistically, how often do you think people are "camming-in" and witnessing private 'activities' just as they are happening? What is this, Eyes Wide Shut?

I think privacy is a personal choice...and the depth of it is up to the individual. I respect that. I'm just being silly really. It fascinates me, it really does.

This would give you pretty good privacy, especially if you made all the sims, no script, no build and no fly. However...there is no way to ever be GUARANTEED private in SL. Also, the sims would be so restrictive that that they wouldn't be much fun.

Privacy and security are a balance. I for instance, wont buy things from a shop where i can't rez the box. I'm giving the shop keeper my money...i'm not buying inconvenience.

ehh... not really concerned about privacy either. I think what I like about having a really large parcel that is semi private is the lack of noise. The sound effects from neighbors, the shouting, or all of a sudden hearing someone else's chat.

Anyone else just get the urge to go cam in on Michael?

ACtually, with 'Disable Camera Constraints' and a draw distance of 512m, someone can see for a distance of, well, over 2 sim widths. Your best bet to avoid getting possibly seen would be to buy a 5x5 (25 sims) block, make all but the very central one non-enterable, and build a small closet in the very center of sim #13 where you can be in peace and privacy.

Mind you, SL limits cause objects to stop rendering at 400m or so, so the closet will be invisible, and you'll still be quite visible to observers camming in from 2.5 sims away, so you might want to just upgrade to a 9x9 (81 sims) block to assure your privacy.

No one can cam through 4 sims distance and still see you, guaranteed!



Red Line: Ban line area
Blue Line: Maximum distance camming in can see objects (except megaprims)
Green Line: Maximum distance camming in can see avatars

Yeah i guess everyone's got their own privacy needs My homes a skybox with a security system and it is good to know i can go there sometimes and know no ones going to appear unless i let them. But generally privacy to me just means lack of noise and chat.
Go somewhere quiet...zoom right in on your partner...pull the IM box down to hide the open chat....as far as i'm concerned the rest of SL's gone then anyway.

Buy Linden Lab. Make them an offer they cannot refuse.

Have your new employees set up a private grid just for you.

Wait six months and check back. LL is working hard on new designs to enable sim hosting by others ... host your own sim and you have total control.

As a less expensive, not completely guaranteed option, I would be interested to hear from folks who own island sims which are not adjacent to any others, and on which they do not rent or sell anything at all, including the land. I imagine they have very few visitors, judging by what I see on the residential island where I rent.

The only non-neighbor people I see were brought in by ads or as visitors to friends or people who had it listed in their profile. If you take away those exposures, then aren't the only people who would see you folks who randomly tp'd into nearby void and cam in? Not a lot ...

There's a JIRA issue for improved privacy, if you want to get it then show your support by voting!
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-241

There's also a number of good solutions linked to from there, do read them to see which seems to provide you the best solution.
My favourite is still 3d permission zones, but then I did post it =)

Well thanks all.
Still :


Well actually I didnt mean to buy the 8 sims around the one I want private. No.

>>>What I mean is to RESERVE the 8 places for sims around mine (just reserve..it looks like someone can do that, right and of course thats not as expensive as actually buying the 9 islands) and, PRECISELY, letting it totally empty. No water, absoluteyl nothing, just like when you try to fly out of some common sim and you just cant because there is nothing, at least no sim farther.

And, so, in the middle of those 8 empty map squares, there would be the sim I want. In fact you simply reserve on the map, around your sim, the eight squares surrounding it.
So no one could fly or walk to reach your sim. The only way would be to teleport and It looks like you can choose who you let teleport to your sim right ?? Or no?

Thanks.

So am I right ? Is it possbible please ????

About 10 months or so ago, I was partaking in several long-long discussions on solutions to SL privacy. Even LL promised they were looking into several different options, and that they considered it a priority and blah blah blah... In hindsight, it's clear that it was policy bullshit answers, nothing more.

To answer the question: No, there's no privacy, never has been, never will be. If you want to be truly alone, you will need a hell of a lot of space to get away with it. The ONLY privacy you currently have from private eyes is text in IMs. You cannot stop a camera. You can make it harder for people, but not stop anything. That's the simple fact, and LL still have not announced any projects in progress as far as I know, that will provide "camera security" any time soon.

The simple option would be to add a server-side option for the parcel settings: "Allow / Disallow streaming parcel content to avatars not currently ON the parcel." A simple option that tells the servers that you send data in the affected parcel to people that are in the parcel themselves. A simple ban line - and you'd be "safe". Some more tweaking, and you could allow/disallow streaming of land shape, prims, avatars, sound, particles and communications individually.

LL know there's a rather large interest in this from the community and has been for a very long time, but I guess since there's no direct money in it, LL's interest in the matter is cool, at best.

Emi

When you buy just one sim, you are guarranteed to have it not joined on to another sim on the four sides, unless you wish that to happen with another sim of yours.

That is the only way someone can see from one sim to another, sims joined on the corner cannot see eachother nor can be passed through.

If you own a sim and do not allow anyone to come, no one can teleport there unless you allow them to. If they cannot teleport there then they cannot see it from anywhere, rez anything to "listen in" or cam in from anywhere as there will be no joining sims.

So buying a sim and setting it correctly will give you privacy, whether you want to fill it up with bubbles and have one huge hot tub or plot world domination. Don't believe "there's no prvacy" or "buy more sims".

Just one sim and strict limited acces settings will do it. Go to World>Region/Estate and hop to the "Estate" tab, on the right you'll see "Allowed Residents" then "Allowed Groups", simple enough eh? All you need is a group or a list of names (or both), the rest of SL has no way of getting in there without knowing the login details to an allowed agent.

If that's a problem too then your safest bet is to set up your own grid.. How you say?

OpenSim, an open source project located at http://opensimulator.org/wiki

Happy private play times =)

By living in SL we somehow created another self which we seem to treat like our real selves. I notice that too sometimes. If you google my name (that is, my second name) you will find things Mona was and is involved with, from sales of some sort to a "furry scandal" at a cathedral. Somehow she is alive, has a history and a personality. She even has her own email account. There are indeed things I would not like Mona to be associated with. The only difference to the OP might be, that I have to intent to do any of that stuff.

How about creating an alt?

funny, ditto:0 was thinking the same thing... bestest best you could do for now would be this (area surrounded by a square of void sims)

geesh for all that privacy just turn the puter off, its a lot cheaper and no one is SL will know what your doing

Or couldn't you just get an island in the middle of nowhere and set it to only allow the list?

Until somone put an island up relatively close by, no one could see you.

As for the "Why do you want privacy?" Question:

There are many reasons for it.

One is for building a product. It's competitive out there and someone camming in and taking snapshots of the build as it's progressing - for example, if you're doing something really wonky with animations that make the regular SL avatar do REALLY weird stuff... stuff that no one's done before - could be devastating to the business.

Another is... well... they just want to be alone, without people poking their heads in.
I know it's kinda squicky to have someone a ways away, just staring at you.