Dell 410 dont suport geforce 8800 series...why?

hey i have a nice computer as far as i know...

XPS 410

intel(R) core(TM) 2 CPU

and i call dell and said i wanna to add the new 88 series from nvidia...and they told me to go to suport page and put my service tag and see what version the computer suports....i havent found no 88 series available for my computer...not even the 79 extreme...

anybody has a XPS 410 can exeplain to me whats the deal...

im a freak when it comes to quality...i have a 7600 gt...but after seen all you guys talking about the 88 series i decide to buy ...but then they told me that i cannot use those on my XPS 410...and its new computer....so i went and order a 8600 gts...is the 8600 gts gonna give me a big diference from my 7600 gt?

7600 GT (256 memory )
8600 GTS(512 menory )


plus does fuckers gonna make me wait 2 weeks to shiip the damn card...lol

maybe with the 512 a bit
I would have went to a 7900gtx first though

they said that computer wont support 79 either... ;-/

and its weird because its new pc...its not one of those old ass pc...

its the lates that dell has made...of course not as powerfull as the xps 700

n-ways i got the 8600 gts with 512 of memory

but i dont have it yet..they said they shiped yesterday and will take from 1 to 2 weeks....ggrrrrrrr....lol

i was reading some post and some people say good things about the 8600 gts with 512
but other say its bad...but i know those that say its bad its the ones that have 88 series...lol

i just wanna know if the jump that i made from 7600 gt to the 8600 gts its gonna be a big diference....

i hope i dont get dispointed cause i dont know what i can do better then that since they say m computer wont take de 88 series ...im so mad because i always like to have the top of the line products...but in this case i get stuck with the 8600 gts...


can anybody that if the diference gonna be big...

I can't tell you the difference you'll see with the 8600 and 8800 card. WhatI can tell you is that my 8600GT (not the GTS) with 256 RAM gives me 30 to 60 fps depending on how busy the sim or region is that I'm in at the time. Except for terrain detail and draw distance all my sliders are pretty much maxed out.

Also, I'm not sure why your Dell would not support an 8800 series card but will 8600. Sounds like the card just hasn't been "tested" with that computer's mother board. I would contact Dell again and ask for an explanation if I were worried about. I think maybe the specs you read or were quoted were specs developed before the 8800 cards came out.

I found with a recent Dell PC upgrade, it wouldn't support an 8600 out the box as it lacks the extra power cables coming from the power supply that need to go into the back of the video card. That might be why they say it is unsupported as the 8800 may also need those power leads too.

My graphics card came with a connector (splitter) to connect the card to the power supply. I'm pretty sure that is for the onboard processor fan. There is a notice in the manual for the card to make sure you have a power supply big enough to handle the load (350 watt minimum, I think). If your power is big enough and does not have the extra connection then use that one (it should have been included with the card). If your power supply is not big enough then get one big enough.........500 watt is about minimum these these days.

ok i just received the 8600 gts....its another world...nice graphics....and with the 7600 i was getting around 20..sometimes 30 fps...not i get 50....i know from what i been reading in the forun 50 its not much compared to some of u guys...i wanna know alitle more about the configurations....


anything that i can do to boost the performance....how about overcloked? how do i do that?

sorry for the dumb questions but im new with this video card thing...so i guess i have to ask...


and yes it does comes with a power suply...i dont know if i did right...i just hooked the conectors....

If it's working you probably hooked it up right. Not sure what you meant by it came with a power supply...........did you mean the connector to hook it up to the card? About the only thing I would caution you about is to take a look at your computer's power supply and see the rated output wattage...........make sure it is at or above the recommended power supply wattage that your instruction manual for your card states. High end graphics cards comsume a fair amount of power and could wind up damaging or burning up an under powered system. Replacing a power supply is easy but sometimes before they fail they cause other component damage. With shopping around you should be able to find a 500 watt PS for 100 USD or less. Money well spent.

I would never over clock something........if you want more speed and performance then get what you need that performs without tweaking it. Overclocking anything in your case increases heat............and heat kills.

yea im talking about the cable that comes with the card...i just conect them as it shows in the paper...


but the cable comes with 2 ends the same...and my computer only have one of those ends free to hook it up...so i only hook 1 up...i dont know whats the second one for....but its the same thing...the end of the cables are same....



but now going in to the card control panel....


i see those options


refreash rate
60
70
72
75
witch one should i use? comes with 60 by defalt...

perfomance&quality settings:

antialising ...whats up with that? it has aplication controled marked

anisotropic filtering ? its on by defalt also...

i always wonder whats up with those option ,i never changed...

Your refresh rate is determined by your monitor..........60 is default because it will work on any monitor. Setting your refresh rate to a too high setting could damage your monitor so if you do not know the capabilities of your monitor it's wisest to accept the default setting.

Antialising "smoothes" the curved lines or edges of images and fonts you see on your monitor. Turn it on for better images (the performance hit is minimal). Same with anistropic filtering. Leave it on. When you go to your nVidia control panel you have three choices (if I remember correctly). 1. Let application decide 2. Use advanced settings and 3. Use my customized setting emphasizing quality. I have checked "use advanced settings" with the slider setting all the way to the right (quality). On my system there is no noticable performance hit and with your system I think you would see the same results. You can experiment with different settings to see what works best for you. SL would be a good test to see if you have improved or degraded performance..........or if any discernable difference at all. Antialising will be something you do see an improvement with.........and anistrophic flitering. Some of the same settings will have to be enabled in your SL preferrences too. Play around and find the best for you settings. But remember, the more you require your computer to do the more it "works" which produces heat inside the case. Make sure you have proper cooling (fans working and no excessive dust). Also you are working your power suppply harder which could approach it's maximum wattage output............check the wattage it's rated for (on a placard or sticker on the side of the power supply......you'll need to remove the side of your case to see it). I just saw a 500 watt power supply at Office Depot today for $70.00 by a well known and reputable manufacturer)..........replace the one you have if it is less than what nVidia recommends in the instruction manual. You'll save yourself a lot of headaches later if you blow that PS.

Hope I've helped a little.

Woot for you guys!!
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You really have to be careful with Dell machines. Depending on the model, some Dell computers use proprietary, odd shaped power supplies. Most replacement power supplies these days are of the ATX variety, which are of a standard size and have a standard set of holes for mounting screws. If that XPS 410 does not have a standard ATX power supply, it will be very difficult to find a better replacement part.

ok here is whats up...


first i think windlight have a bug on my side...maybe its not just me but if i try to max the options and slide to ' Ultra ' ...i get a big round black thing on top of my scren....is it just me?

second...with the custom settings i put on ' high ' then pretty much slide everything to max...ecept ' sky' cause if i do that i also get the big black round thing on top...


with those settings im getting only betwenn 15 and 35 fps...sometimes it jumps to 40 then drops again...i see some other topics where people with the same setings and basicaly same computer and some of them even litle under my with less memory and etc and they getting betwen 40 and 60 fps...


then i toght about overclock and i download ' Riva tuner ' im sure prolly alot of yall know that program...but i havent touched yet..just instaled...before messin with that i wanna know if it will give me a good boost ...


i see some people sayn that it can over heat...how about if i turn it up just a litle so i can get around those 60 fps will be danger to do it?

i know alot people who dont take the risk think its very bad thing...
but how about those that ' did ' have to say about that...and if it is worth or not...

The black rings are a known bug, adjust the sky slider to remove them.

As far as overclocking, it ain't gonna give you enough performance improvement to even notice. SL takes a lot of horsepower to make small differences. The difference between an 8600GTS and an 8800GTX in Second Life is maybe 20 fps, the difference between the cards is huge, the 8800GTX has two GPU chips and a massive amount of video memory plus it costs 3 times more. Overclocking might get you a couple of fps. Maybe.

SL runs at about 45 fps max. Fluid motion video is about 30 fps. Anything over 30 is pretty much wasted as far as the human eye can see. Anything over 45 is wasted computations by your computer/video card since it's only recieving 45 fps from the SL servers ((rendering the same frame multiple times, etc). The fps is merely telling you how fast your system can render a scene. The fps will vary due to many reasons........mostly changing scenes and lag (either your system lag or SL's). If you are in a texture rich area expect your frames to drop. Go to 1000 meters above the "ground" and don't move and face away from the sun you will probably see your frames increase to some astronomical number.

Not sure why you want so many fps if what you get in most areas gives you fluid motion. Not sure overclocking will give you the kick you are expecting.......in fact I doubt it will. It might give you some numbers to toss out to impress a few, but thet's it. I can get as high as 60 frames in quiet areas but when I'm in areas where the fun it it's somewhere around 20 to 40........and that gives quite a satisfactory sense of fluid motion.

as far as perfomance im kind ok...about the fps i was thinking more about image quality...im crazy about that...after windlight came out i got even more adicted to SL...i like to take alot of pictures so thats why...

but i will folow your advice and i will not overclock


i was watching a trailer on high definition on the 8600 gts and i was amazed with the quality...but i could only find ' trailer ' ...any of u guys know where i can find high definition movies that i can watch online?

i have no drive that reads bluray so i need something alredy on high-def that i can just get over the net...i know that must be away to do that since i can watch trailers....