Updates = Lag

I have loved the land and sim that I live on and in ever since I moved to where I am. I have spent hundreds and hundreds of real dollars working towards owning my tier all as one big land. I have been willing to lose big cash in order to get to where I am. I made myself settle for the 75 a month tier even though I would be in heaven if I could keep up a 195 a month tier lol ... But 75 a month is plenty for me alone to play on.

I have tolerated update after update putting me through two and three weeks at a time that I cannot even walk on my land much less play on it so I have been willing to pay 75 dollars for maybe a week and a half of a month that I actually can use my land without treading through syrup. I have tolerated this because I have loved where I am and remained in hopes that it will stop doing this upon every update or that SL will stop doing this to me by performing too many, too regular updates. It never fails, every update this happens and then I have to wait for it all to get ironed out before I can enjoy the tier that I pay for.

I have been what I consider to be extremely courteous to my sim. I think I own the largest tier in my sim and I have remained over respectful with this knowledge and I have not made full use of my land in order to keep lag down within the sim so that everyone else could enjoy the land they own. I currently am only using 1059 objects out of my 4259 allowance in order to be this type of a neighbor.

NOW ... not only has the update made it where I am walking through syrup, some thoughtless, self centered person who I dont think even owns a third of what I own in my sim has built a mall and a club and put in a crap load of laggy stuff in the process making matters even worse for the entire sim. I get irritated when I am not using even half of my tier capabilities in order to be kind to the sim and I see this type of thing take place. SO now I have this selfish person with their major laggy mall and club to move in and the past update all making it to where I have not been able to play on my own land period due to the syrup I must tread in.

I have worked on getting my land in one big place ever since January and now that I have finally done so I am seriously having to consider selling out and forgetting about it because I am a fool to continue to pay any 75 a month for land that I cannot use.

In order for me to sell, especially now with the syrup that has been dumped in my sim, I will have to lose a lot of money and I am not finding myself pleased with this idea at all. I have had my land as if natural hilly terrain in order to keep the sims natural beauty as I live in the skies so I have a lot of work to do in order to prepare my land to sell and I am having a hard time getting this task done due to the recent dump of syrup onto my sim.

I am here complaining because I truely love my land and between SL updates and new inconsiderate neighbors I have no choice but to now leave what I have worked so hard for and spent a great bit of money on getting all behind me and I am not pleased at all.

I am so sorry to hear you're having these problems, Cherry.

We do want to help--now, SL Answers isn't the right place for technical assistance like this, but inworld, please go to Help menu > Live Help and ask a Linden Liaison to check it out. Give the specific name of the region, and you can point them to this post too, time willing!

It has to be determined what kind of "lag" you're referring to here. The article may help you: Lee on Lag

Hope things get better; I'm moving this to Technical Issues.

Some of us in the sim did have a Linden over and at the time this Linden detected some heavy laggy scripts running coming from the new club/mall that has moved in. This Linden told us to nicely ask the owner of the new club/mall to please remove some of their scripted objects because this is causing a sim lag where all of us are affected badly by it. Once we did this, if the lag did not stop, then we 'are' to file abuse report. I did not personally speak with the Linden but I was present in the conversation.

I personally do not feel that this one new club/mall has caused all of this extreme lag because I know from past experience that many SL upgrades bring on horrible lag for up to two and three weeks after the updates and I have learned to wait it out but that is getting very old and it is greatly exhausting and frustrating.

I do believe that the recent updates have caused a lag of their own because it is all sims in my area that are doing poorly after these updates. I also believe that this new club/mall has moved in at at time we definately didnt need them to move in because now not only are we treading through the normal updates syrupy lag we have this new club/mall with all of their laggy mess they have brought with them.

One neighbor did go to the club to speak with the owners but the owners were pretty much jackarses and booted the neighbor off of the land so we will get no where with them about their laggy mess for sure.

Yes this club/mall has definately brought lag with them and our sim has been fortunate up til now not to have clubs and malls in it causing us the lag that they do ... BUT SL's update has a lot to do with our lag too and I simply know this just by past experience alone.

We are on a class three server and I believe that FurNation Forest shares servers with us from what I am understanding in my research and we are in need of a server upgrade. My sim cant handle laggy scripts and I have practiced my best not to have too many scripts out and I keep my prims low that I have out just because, although many disagree, prims = jpg's, bmp's so on so forth do help cause lag because anything that has to be loaded up does have pull. I have tried to help my sim be a lovely place because I have the ability, the allowance to totally lag us out if that is what I chose to do but I like my sim to be an enjoyment not only to me but to all of us who live within the sim.

Seventy Five dollars a month may not be much to many, yet it is a lot to many others and I know that not everyone can even afford that much so I like to help everyone enjoy the land they own no matter what the tier level is.

We have already had help out from a Linden and their findings were that from the new club/mall but I do not believe that is ALL of the problem it just is unfortunate that this new club/mall has moved in with their heavy lag at a time that SL has just had a bad update to bring a very heavy syrup to us. SO filing abuse report on the club/mall to me is not the answer at this time and I dont know what else to do because help has already been called out to our sim.

The lag doesnt seem so bad this morning and hopefully today's update will bring some relief and the lag is up and down drastically so I cant say how it will be from one minute to the next. Our perf readings have been ranging from 35 up to 800 back and forth up and down and our active scripts running have ranged from 1700 up to 4800 all within an hours time. My fps runs at 43 to 45 and time dilation at .98 and .99 so I dont know what is going on or what to do and I just know I cannot stand being stuck in syrup where I can hardly move to walk or anything else.

The sim is Bowfin ... I did prepare my land to sell but I love my land and I love my sim which is a lovely sim when things are running properly so I am waiting a while longer in hopes things get back to normal or even better ... AND the fact that I do live in a wonderful sim when things are running properly well that dont mean I want everybody to come run move in lol stay away ahaahahaha cuz when all is working properly I am in a most wonderful sim and I do not want any incosiderate laggy people moving in ahahaahahaa KEEP OUT lololol

My sim was much worse off and is still not in the best of shape.

There has been a lot of discussion about land ordances where you have to agree to not run malls, clubs, ect on x sim, but remember that these are NOT ever going to be retroactive.
So if you want a very quiet place you will probably have to eventualy move.

As I understand it there is a memory leak dealing with the client downloading of images/textures and the more images/textures and the more people arive the worse things get.

I've seen the sim frame rate drop to 7fps

Of course people blame scripts, however the Sim automaticaly slows down scripts as needed to maintain the Sim Framerate.

I did what I could by moving my "Galery" area up to 700m sice most people that visit my place don't go there and therefore don't need to load all those images/textures.

As a scripter it would be nice if I could see how my scripts are in terms of loading. But the sim script time stays pegged at ~15ms even if I pick up all my scripted items.

I hear the preview grid and void sims are a great place to see how much sim time scripts use.

Don't feel bad, im paying 25/mo and my Sim keeps going down and iam losing dwell at my store. I may have to relocate.

Its happening to a ton of us. my once fun n carefree sim is laggy as walking thru quick sand as i sink into the ground every few minuts. I do know that scripts if not made properly, do cause lag, but come on sl *we the people* are not blind. there are waaay to many updates and after each update is another update to fix the bugs in the previous update then a week later theres another update and its the same thing over n over n over again. Enough is enough.

I had a beautiful ocean front home once. ONCE, and now its surrounded by ppl with ugly casinos n trashy backyard malls. the property has gone waay down because of uneducated ppl placing anything and everything on the sim they can get thier hands on to sell to make lindes the cheesy way.

HEER YEE HEER YEE.... im voting for sims to be catagorized by residence or commercial sims only, but not both on a sim at the same time. wouldnt you like to have peice of mind knowing that your beautiful home will remain beautiful. WITHOUT ugly laggy malls n casinos pushed up right agaisnt ur lots border?! Dont get me wrong i have a mall but its in a comercial sim where there isnt a house for a few sims away. But my home is not worth going to anymore.

DO I HEAR A SECOND VOTE?

No, you won't get it from me. Honestly, a lot of people are overlooking some issues through oversimplification.

First, and foremost, commercial and residential do not necessarily mean lag/no lag respectively. I've been near some residences with enough scripts to kill a small connection, enough oversized textures to make a Photoshop junky orgasmic, etc. And honestly, when I started - I was one of these people (except I use the Gimp).

Residential areas can be nastily laggy as well. And night clubs with the overprimmed, overtextured and overscripted dancefloors? with enough lights to make a proctologist happy? Laggy (yet I bet you all still go dance on them).

Malls? Bad. Why? They don't have to be. Less textures done right can go a long way. And here's a hint: If you can't see it, don't texture it! (Duh). Either use the plain default texture that everyone has loaded or use *none*. You'd be amazed what a difference that makes. Oh, and try using library textures a little more. I'm convinced that some people with *failed* Macromedia (now Adobe) Flash careers came into SecondLife and built some things. Flashy malls also distract from the *products* that people are trying to sell. And laggy stuff right next to the TP? You should be spanked with a thorny whip. Oh - and those greeter robots? If I get another red rose, I'm gonna hand it to the well lit proctologist to use on the owner at their next checkup. Lots of malls have begun to watch vendor scripts now as well (and even offer free vendors!).

Residences are nasty horrible places where people leave out their listening vehicles (or park it on land without autoreturn on) and so on. Oh, and let's not even get started on the avatars that couldn't drop all their clothes and attachments on a 512m parcel.

Seriously, I wonder how many people who are lagging are wearing the prim equivalent of malls themselves?

The person who started this thread seems reasonable, and I appreciate - really appreciate - the literal pains that they have gone through because I have gone through them as well. And I also appreciate that there are probably some issues with the servers, as well as client side code. I also appreciate that the first part of solving problems is 'healing thyself', which the originator has appeared to do - but for everyone who tries to jump on and make this their wagon, I'll say first: Strip your attachments and flexiprims and see what happens. Just because you can doesn't mean you have to.

I also sing at Bar Mitzvahs when drunk.

These are well-known, verified and long-complained about issues. For further info regarding sim (and in fact, grid lag) you might find interesting a thread called The Lag Monster Myth, pt 2--Particles:

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I live with the top of my hippyship at 768meters and I have for the most always lived in the skies. This muddy syrup we are currently treading through is due to something with SL and the latter updates. The new club/mall has just happened to move in with all of their lag at a time SL has caused a problem not only with 'my' sim but all over SL period. There are some sims still running at full steam but so far I have learned that these sims are on the class 4 servers. I would move to new land but that is no promise of no stinking malls and clubs moving in.

AND I am all for code & zoning where clubs and malls stay somewhere to their laggy selves and contend with their laggy each others lol SL is too full of stores and malls for the most anyhow and not one person can possibly be making enough linden to matter lololol like what hangin in for that 25 linden profit there lmaooo ppfffttt I ain't that hard up enough to bog down sl with my stupid laggy store/club. Residential lag can be as bad yes, but that is not so often as in commercial areas.

Having SOME stores is nice but I personally dont go out to many because I am not hanging out in lagsville and I do most of my shopping on slexchange and I dont mind paying a little more to those that do charge a little higher price on slexchange not to have to go out and deal with the lag.

Don't take this the wrong way, because I honestly don't understand. You shop, pay higher prices, spend $75 on tier and... walk around your sim? I honestly don't understand. And if this is the case, then why even log into SL at all? This is not a critique - I really don't understand and I would like to. I can't repeat that enough; written medium can be difficult. Just imagine a puzzled look on a face as it stares at a monitor and says, 'Does not compute. Insufficient data'.

I've toyed with the idea for my store about selling on SLExchange - I will eventually, I'm sure - so I have a vested interest in this answer. But I also think that shopping exclusively through SL Exchange is actually bad since it allows malls to continue being laggy.

As it is, I'm pulling out of all malls. There's no sales in campmalls (which they all seem to be) - and that drags us to the main topic again: if you have 40 campers at a mall, you have a full sim. I skipped that in the earlier post.

From a reply to Cherry:
From what I get in this she means that she avoids shopping mall sims. There are quite a few now that aren't shopping malls.

Yeah. I love shopping areas... especially theme ones. I have often shopped at the oriental shopping zone (I forget its name ATM). But it's themed and a little different than the standard stack-em-high mall.

To avoid the "shopping mall" experience we limited our Merchant Market in ElvenMyst sim to a limited number of merchants, and set it up more like a residential section with each merchant building his/her own shop. The result was terrific. There's still lag, yeah-- there's lag EVERYWHERE these days. But at least people enjoy shopping there. The underground chambers are fun to explore.

A lot of the lag however, isn't due to the shopping malls themselves. It's from-- as you stated-- avatars standing around doing nothing (avatars are major, major lag factors) and behind-the-scenes things that no one knows anything about (ie, server and software issues). Hopefully these will eventually be resolved-- just as LL resolved the ghosting issue about a year ago.

lol i pay a 75 tier and for the most i stay on my own land except to fly around for fun registering sims lolololol and yeah i avoid malls and shopping in sl like the plague because they are dreadful with lag and no fun to me at all. i buy on slexchange in order to avoid shopping the malls and stores and anywhere in sl as much as is possible. i play on my land ...

i love my land and i love my set up i have and i dont put a lot of stuff out at one time and simply enjoy sl and that is why i log on. i am not here to make money and i actually give most of my stuff i make away and i give most of the transferrable stuff i buy away when i am done playing with it. i came here to enjoy myself and not to worry about having to make money. i dont see where anyone can make money in sl due to the massive malls unless someone has made a very unique item which is rare but there are those few that have done that so i am sure they are able to make something.

i dont see why people would lag out sl with their many stores when they know they arent making any money and to me its like dog eat dog hanging in there for a few lindens ...
no thanks lol i will buy my lindens and enjoy myself to its fullest !!! i love sl and not for money for darn sure lol i love sl for the creative fun it provides. i dont work in real and i aint about to work in sl or anywhere else on my computer lmao i am an adult child having nothing but fun eheheeheheheeheee

AND at current i wont blame any avie nor will i actually blame any mall or any objects for the current lag because i have been very aware for a very long time that after sl updates we are many plagued with lag for two and three weeks until they iron out the bugs and this current lag is too broad spread all over sl even in the nicest areas to blame on anything but sl and the latter updates. this has been a repeated process over and over after updates and i keep that in mind and that is why right now i will not file an abuse report on any club or mall or person until sl irons out their own bugs and i can know that sl has first straightened out sl. When sl figures out their stuff, and i am sure they will, then i will watch to see if any particular thing or person is causing anything too out of the norm.

But yeah ... lol some of these women and that hair ahahaahaha and all the flashy items and some of these men and their God i dont know what alls they put on ahahaahahahaa LAG lololol laffin

You certainly do. LL has needed to start offerning sims that are either residential or comercial for a long time.

Just about every home owner I know lives in dread of logging on some day to find a club or mall has moved into their sim and killed the performance of their sim.

That said, for the people who have become victims of this...well, there's nothing to prevent *them* form putting out laggy items too. Enough of that and the sim usually slows down to the point where the club and Mall decide to move themselves.

One option is for people to purchase homes where they KNOW there will be no mall or club. It depends on what a person is looking for. One can rent land at ElvenMyst if they like high fantasy theme. They can rent on Dreamland sims if they want residential (from what I hear, Anshe zones her sims).

I think private sim owners are the current answer to zoned sims.

I used to shop all the time. Loved it. But that was back when textures loaded very quickly. Somewhere along about v 1.7, something happened to the inventory and texture system both. Inventory and textures both used to work like greased lightning. Now.. they don't.

Sometimes when I do what should be a simple inventory search... it can lag me to a standstill for up to 3 minutes... and even force me to relog. I've seen textures take up to 30 minutes to load. That is ridiculous. It makes shopping virtually impossible, because one can't see the photos on the vending devices.. That's bad for SL all the way around.

I don't know what they did, but someone somewhere messed up the inventory and texture system bigtime. They need to un-mess it. Been telling them that for a long time, I have. People can't buy what they can't see.

GREAT I LOVE YOU, is better go to Linden Exanges , i hate the shops

I hate how the malls say you have to use "Low lag vendors" and then equates that to no script load.

A vendor with a llVolumeDetect to turn it on would create a lot less lag as it would be blank unles you walk into the store. Even a mall wide llSensor repeat and a chat relay system would reduce lag as it could turn on vendors and stores as needed.

Of course that brings us to the 4D house and the posibility of an in world store vendor.
1. Sit and be moved way up into the air to an enclosed room all to yourself.
2. Touch the selector and select the store from the dialog, The store itself would then be rezed.