Second Life Needs More Bandwidth

First all this game lags like crap, and it also can't be everyone's computer in the WHOLE world due to each person has high end specs and some have low end specs. SL Servers can no longer handle all the full loads of people atleast not on the current internet speeds. There is no use in bumping up the FPS on the "SIM" if the Internet bandwidth can not handle it. Any 1 with real know hows of networks would agree with me on this that FPS is only good as your internet connection is so in other words if they are over doing they connection then the game WILL lag its like you using a 56k modem to connect to stuff and the more stuff you try to connect with it the slower it gets. Its funny how people think its the Home User's PC when its not infact my PC runs this at full specs still problems but I can play other HIGH END games such as "DOOM 3" that needs HT PC and great video card to atleast get full benifits but I run it no problem at all, and I also have the pc that "suppose to work with this game" with a 10mb cable download and 1MB upload sorry for posting so techie like but for thos out there who understand what im talking about could agree with me. so all these little silly post's about our computers being the problem DO a little research on the internet works and on how TCP/IP works and on how FPS works before judging other computers being the problem. SL step they servers and they step up they ISP bandwidth I bet the game will run alottttttttttttttt smoother and better and have better "REAL TIME FRAMES PER SECOND (FPS)" until then the game will keep running like it does no matter how many updates they have, also on a side note SL needs to optimize they End user clients for better support for more video cards and more motherboard chip sets to have a better and smoother game and hey if someone don't want to take my word for it do the research your self its all over the internet on how the internet works and on how servers work also network admins would know this stuff too.

I really was going to try and read this post. But until you use some paragraphs and punctuation, I can't. It makes me go crosseyed.

I did see a few words trying to scan it, and it looks like a bit of a whine, which doesn't much incentivise me to struggle through your lack of formatting. I hope you weren't trying to make comparisons between the requirements for Doom 3 and SL. Cuz, that would be moronic.

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Not not really, more based on "VIDEO CARDS" being used in this game. my lack of formatting? HAHAHAHA it will still get the point across the thread SAY IT ALL.....that's all that matters.

Wow, we are talking about a game issue here and people are worried on how I type why bother to respond then?

The streaming 3D concept of SL is basically incompatible with the static model concept as used in most video hardware. This means there's a constant swapping of data to and from the video card, and the CPU has to do a lot of the stuff, normally done by the video card.
(Almost) all 3d games are not using a streaming technology, but build the environment AFTER they downloaded all the data. So it's comparing apples and pears (as we say in holland

Also the SL client is a single process application incorporating both the network handling and rendering. This means that is you're slowed by either your CPU or network connection or GFX card, neither of the others can work at full speed. Mostly it's CPU power that is the limiting factor.

Only when there is actual sim lag we see a loss of bandwidth, or more to the point, increased ping times (the speed of which a sim responds to requests is more important than the actual amount of data) At those times your client is lagging because it's waiting for the sim to tell it what's actually going on. This happens in every busy MMO environment, and especially the 1.7 version has been made to relieve this issue, by shifting server processing power from scripts to actual avatar handling.

Possibly because it's clear you CAN type lucidly and comprehendably, but haven't done so in the "stream of consciousness"-style post above. Repeated use of "they" instead of "their" and stuff makes it, well, just damn hard to read.

Your case could've been put in fewer words, and punctuated in a more friendly fashion, basically. No offense.

Anyway, having read through your post, I'm really not sure it's as cut and dried as you say.

SL doesn't lag for everyone.
Many people have virtually no problems with lag (be it high end or low end PC), but of course, they are unlikely to come on here and complain about their lack of lag, so the sample group is under-represented.

As has been pointed out, comparisons to current high-end PC games are flawed at best, and meaningless at worst. The way SL is designed to run is lightyears away from the average computer 'game', it's pretty much 100% dynamic, and virtually everything major is handled on the server and continuously replicated to each and every relevant client, so, to be perfectly honest, the fact it runs AT ALL is pretty impressive.

It's also not really a good idea to base your assessment of general SL performance on the current setup, since 1.7 has been found to be..less than perfect.

Give the Lindens a good week or so to squish the major bugs, and see how it performs then.

Why bother to write it if no one can or will read it? Or does it just make you feel better to know you got it out there?

This is a technical issues forum. If you're having one that you require help with, then state your problem and ask.

So far you just vomitted unreadable drivel over it. If that was your intention, go for your life! But don't bitch when no one attempts to help you and nothing gets done about it.

Help me? My PC works just fine why would I call them to tell them the problem when they are going to turn around and tell me its my computer? They also tell everyone else its their computer also on a side note Come other 3D Online games do not lag so bad? I mean SL has the best grafix no doubt about that but the lag is to bad. People have reported problems with lag on AMD computers, INTEL computers and also APPLE G5 Comuters even with great computer specs and have the same problems? so what gives? has to be a SL issue and not a Home user based computer issue.

Oh really? So how do you explain the hundreds and thousands of people that play just fine?

And no, I'm not a Linden apologist; I don't play SL any more because I simply can't. My experience is undoubtedly every bit as bad as what you're describing. Yes, I have two kick ass computers that can play every other game on the planet.

But I also accept that almost every SL user has a different experience to each other and evidently to me. It's crap for you, yes. And me too! But it isn't crap for most people, or they wouldn't have any residents, now would they?

So the only way you're likely to get any resolution to your troubles is to try and work with LL on a one to one basis instead of making a sweeping statement about SL being crappy and laggy. And this isn't the place to do that. Emailing support is the way to do that.

All I've been trying to say all along is that posting here is going to get you nowhere. Unless all you wanted to do was rant into the wind. In which case, fine.

I guess I didn't realise 'OMG SL SUXXORZ BECAUSE MY COMPUTER PWNZ ALL AND IT DOESNT WORK!!!' was a technical issue, sorry



Firstly, I can't give any input and insight into the problem if I can't read it. As I said in my first post.

Secondly, If I had the knowledge of what makes SL work for people that can't play it despite their equipment being more than adequate, I highly doubt I'd be in the situation I'm in now of not being able to play SL. As I said in the previous post. I was trying to help - I was trying to tell him he's going to get nowhere with this approach.

Thirdly, Yes, I do love to be bitchy. As you'll see from pretty much any one of my 4000+ posts. And I have waaaay too much spare time on my hands, too!



And from the experience I do have, in 2 years on these forums and more than my fair share of problems with SL, I can tell you - and have been saying throughout this thread - that he is NOT going to get any valuable help here by posting what he posted. If you think the forums hold all the answers to why SL has problems and how to rectify them, you're sorely mistaken. And people have explained their problems and asked their questions in far more coherent ways than this. Do a search if you don't believe me!



If it was a case of not dotting I's or crossing T's, I think I'd manage to read it. As a solid block of text spewed straight onto the page without pause for thought, it's pretty heavy going. Sorry I don't have your perseverence to try and get through it. I suspect many others who would maybe have some advice or comment wont either.



And I thank you for your comments. By the way, I nerfed your hideous choice of font and color in the reply because that's another equally good way to make your posts unreadable. Though I have no problem with your formatting otherwise. You get a B+

I've been reading the forums a little this morning to try to learn things, since I'm still fairly new to the game. I do have many questions I'd like to find the answers to, and I'm very curious to learn tips and tricks too. But, I think I will choose to read and hopefully find information that is helpful and handy, instead of posting questions too often.

I don't want to have to copy and paste every question or reply into word so I can spell-check & grammar check before I post it. I'm not an idiot, but I know for a fact I make typos and other mistakes while typing. Some people, you have to realize, don't speak English as a first language. I spent my entire childhood and college years learning English, just like the most of you all did. Others have only studied it for a couple of years, and in my opinion, it amazes me when they pick up on it as quick as they do, regardless of spelling and especially regardless of punctuation.

I don't want to be ridiculed because of punctuation, and especially spelling. We all are quite aware that most people don't bother with it while chatting, and I think sometimes when typing in forums and other places, those bad habits just follow. It's just a speed issue, getting what you want to say out there quicker.

Wow thankkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk youuuuuuuuuu. who got time to spell check and anything else for posting I did not know this was "SCHOOL" and you get a grade on "who can out the best maybe I should post it in spanish and see what type of responce i get

Well, yeah: but I think the actual point trying to be made here (in, possibly, not the most diplomatic way) is that the more readable a post is, the easier it is to work out what the poster is getting at, and provide an answer.


It's little things, often that require little or no grammatical expertise, that help. Things like pressing 'return' every now and again (which you do very nicely), and actually finishing sentences before running on into the next one.


In short, have a look at your post before you post it, and if it looks nice and readable to you, go for it. If it's a huge block of onrunning dialogue, it might not get a positive reception.

As you say, in-game chat often has many errors and the like, but then in-game chat comes in discrete packages, which makes it easier to read.

Anyway, original topic: bandwidth? Nah.

Just like them users you speak of maybe they don't bother to post the PROBLEM on here like you even stated your self POSTING ON HERE gets you no where so maybe they Know this. Fact is ITS THE GAME that's the problem not the Home user pc. I'll tell you what? Just let people post their PC specs up and you tell me if their pc is not powerful to play "SL" and just maybe Linden Labs could make this game more optimized for different hardware. and for you to have so many post sounds to be you do have alot of time on your hands UNLIKE ME who has a "RL" but I figured I would post what I have been told from MANNNNNY users who play this game and also from times I have been playing this game on HIGH END PC'S and for you to sit here and claim you had or have 2 powerful pc's and still claim you had problems only proves me right.