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paulie Femto

Into the dark

Join date: 13 Sep 2003

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12-24-2004 10:10

Is SL being recoded in one of the Microsoft .Net languages? Is this a move away from the "open" components that SL is built on?

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Khamon Fate

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12-24-2004 12:06

the folks at metaverse.sf.net are writing with .net stuff

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blaze Spinnaker

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12-24-2004 12:08

Nah, Hugh is shying away from crystal space so VOS is the way to go now.

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Strife Onizuka

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Join date: 3 Mar 2004

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12-25-2004 03:30

SL is being writen in C++ for use with MSVC .NET compiler (probably 2k3). It's in one of the meeting transcripts. SL is not being re-writen with .NET componants.

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Adam Zaius

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Join date: 9 Jan 2004

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12-25-2004 04:09

From: Strife Onizuka

SL is being writen in C++ for use with MSVC .NET compiler (probably 2k3). It's in one of the meeting transcripts. SL is not being re-writen with .NET componants.

Really, by now they should be using the intel C compiler, it does a much better job at floating point arithmetic, and gets better performance on intel and amd chips.

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splat1 Edison

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Join date: 6 Sep 2004

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12-25-2004 05:21

With a linux client comming out soon and the servers being linux as it is, I doubt .net stuff (better know as fruit salad) will creep in. then agin we have Mono so....

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Adam Zaius

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12-25-2004 07:49

From: Adam Zaius

Really, by now they should be using the intel C compiler, it does a much better job at floating point arithmetic, and gets better performance on intel and amd chips.

-Adam

Should add to this, IntelC is now a snap-in component for MSVC, makes using the compiler with MSVC very very easy. Install, and go. (licenses are around US$500 each IIRC, but only one person needs to have it installer: the person doing final release builds)

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Kurt Zidane

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Join date: 1 Apr 2004

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12-25-2004 11:58

I thought the performance gained by the intel compiler came at a price. It some cases it will compute and end up with the wrong answer. Witch is ok, if you know about it and Know how to programa round it.

Azelda Garcia

Join date: 3 Nov 2003

Posts: 819

12-25-2004 22:24

[FWIW, since it was mentioned in this thread, OSMP is written in C++ and Python. The linux compiler is gcc, and the windows compiler is .net 2003.

The compiler doesnt drastically affect the functionality of the product, though it might affect execution speed. More important is the choice of libraries, the architecture, and the coding itself. That said, my main reason for choosing .net 2003 over cygwin and mingw is that .net 2003 compiler compiles at least twice as fast, and produces smaller code.

.Net libraries themselves are probably unsuited for SL, which targets Mac, and hopes shortly to target linux. I've not considered it for OSMP, because OSMP server should be able to run on linux, and because many developers like linux and mac.

You can get the .net 2003 compiler free at:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=272be09d-40bb-49fd-9cb0-4bfa122fa91b&DisplayLang=en

Note that OSMP is OpenSource (http://metaverse.sourceforge.net), so feel free to come over and have a look, ask questions, maybe contribute some code. You can show technical feasibility for your preferred SL feature suggestions; you can use it as a personal tech demo; and maybe, just maybe, OSMP could become big in its own right.
]

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paulie Femto Into the dark Join date: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,098	12-24-2004 10:10 Is SL being recoded in one of the Microsoft .Net languages? Is this a move away from the "open" components that SL is built on? _____________________ REUTERS on SL: "Thirty-five thousand people wearing their psyches on the outside and all the attendant unfettered freakishness that brings."
Khamon Fate fategardens.net Join date: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 4,177	12-24-2004 12:06 the folks at metaverse.sf.net are writing with .net stuff _____________________ Visit the Fate Gardens Website @ fategardens.net
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	12-24-2004 12:08 Nah, Hugh is shying away from crystal space so VOS is the way to go now. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	12-25-2004 03:30 SL is being writen in C++ for use with MSVC .NET compiler (probably 2k3). It's in one of the meeting transcripts. SL is not being re-writen with .NET componants. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Adam Zaius Deus Join date: 9 Jan 2004 Posts: 1,483	12-25-2004 04:09 From: Strife Onizuka SL is being writen in C++ for use with MSVC .NET compiler (probably 2k3). It's in one of the meeting transcripts. SL is not being re-writen with .NET componants. Really, by now they should be using the intel C compiler, it does a much better job at floating point arithmetic, and gets better performance on intel and amd chips. -Adam _____________________ Co-Founder / Lead Developer GigasSecondServer
splat1 Edison Registerd Nut Join date: 6 Sep 2004 Posts: 353	12-25-2004 05:21 With a linux client comming out soon and the servers being linux as it is, I doubt .net stuff (better know as fruit salad) will creep in. then agin we have Mono so.... _____________________ Splat Soft - We exsist in the RL to! Gigas Bunny (Mule) #### You see, our experts describe you as an appallingly dull fellow, unimaginative, timid, lacking in initiative, spineless, easily dominated, no sense of humour, tedious company and irrepressibly drab and awful. And whereas in most professions these would be considerable drawbacks, in chartered accountancy they are a positive boon.
Adam Zaius Deus Join date: 9 Jan 2004 Posts: 1,483	12-25-2004 07:49 From: Adam Zaius Really, by now they should be using the intel C compiler, it does a much better job at floating point arithmetic, and gets better performance on intel and amd chips. -Adam Should add to this, IntelC is now a snap-in component for MSVC, makes using the compiler with MSVC very very easy. Install, and go. (licenses are around US$500 each IIRC, but only one person needs to have it installer: the person doing final release builds) -Adam _____________________ Co-Founder / Lead Developer GigasSecondServer
Kurt Zidane Just Human Join date: 1 Apr 2004 Posts: 636	12-25-2004 11:58 I thought the performance gained by the intel compiler came at a price. It some cases it will compute and end up with the wrong answer. Witch is ok, if you know about it and Know how to programa round it.
Azelda Garcia Azelda Garcia Join date: 3 Nov 2003 Posts: 819	12-25-2004 22:24 [FWIW, since it was mentioned in this thread, OSMP is written in C++ and Python. The linux compiler is gcc, and the windows compiler is .net 2003. The compiler doesnt drastically affect the functionality of the product, though it might affect execution speed. More important is the choice of libraries, the architecture, and the coding itself. That said, my main reason for choosing .net 2003 over cygwin and mingw is that .net 2003 compiler compiles at least twice as fast, and produces smaller code. .Net libraries themselves are probably unsuited for SL, which targets Mac, and hopes shortly to target linux. I've not considered it for OSMP, because OSMP server should be able to run on linux, and because many developers like linux and mac. You can get the .net 2003 compiler free at: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=272be09d-40bb-49fd-9cb0-4bfa122fa91b&DisplayLang=en Note that OSMP is OpenSource (http://metaverse.sourceforge.net), so feel free to come over and have a look, ask questions, maybe contribute some code. You can show technical feasibility for your preferred SL feature suggestions; you can use it as a personal tech demo; and maybe, just maybe, OSMP could become big in its own right. ] Azelda _____________________