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paulie Femto

Into the dark

Join date: 13 Sep 2003

Posts: 1,098

12-17-2004 07:22

Can we pleeze stop switching sims over to these ancient servers when the sim reboots? Suisun went from 15 fps to 2 fps.

Frustration.

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FlipperPA Peregrine

Magically Delicious!

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,703

12-17-2004 07:42

I think you're confusing Client FPS and Sim FPS.

It your sim fps was 15 on the GOOD NEW servers, then your sim is in deep trouble to begin with!

-Flip

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Chromal Brodsky

ExperimentalMetaphysicist

Join date: 24 Feb 2004

Posts: 243

12-17-2004 07:57

Suisun is reportedly running at 1400 sim FPS. I don't think the dynamic sim hardware pool is your problem, here. I'd ask you to describe your hardware confuration and client settings, but this discussion would probably be more appropriate in the Technical Issues forum.

That said, do check out the SL support wiki page on possible solutions to poor framerates. Also, I've heard a few accounts of "network induced" lag when entering areas for the first time after upgrading to SL v1.5.8/9. I haven't had any problems, personally, but it's another possibility to consider.

paulie Femto

Into the dark

Join date: 13 Sep 2003

Posts: 1,098

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12-17-2004 08:23

client fps was around 15 before sim reset. after sim reset, client fps is around 2. in the debug (alt-1) menu, server cpu usage was 0.5 before reset. after reset, server cpu usage is 1.0. this indicates (i believe) that the sim has been switched over to an older, non-hyperthreaded cpu. can we stop doing that?

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Chromal Brodsky

ExperimentalMetaphysicist

Join date: 24 Feb 2004

Posts: 243

12-17-2004 09:02

From: paulie Femto

client fps was around 15 before sim reset. after sim reset, client fps is around 2.
in the debug (alt-1) menu, server cpu usage was 0.5 before reset. after reset, server cpu usage is 1.0. this indicates (i believe) that the sim has been switched over to an older, non-hyperthreaded cpu. can we stop doing that?

Client FPS is independent of sim FPS.

When you are upset that client FPS has dropped, you are not upset about the sim FPS, or whether or not it is running on a HyperThreaded CPU. You are upset by how client hardware and software (newview) are performing. That client FPS has dropped is an interesting problem, but one that has nothing to do with the sim's hardware.

I'm not sure what is causing the drop in client FPS, but I think it more probably has something to do with a change on the client end (e.g.: client software update or other hardware/software environment change on your computer) or possibly in the actual content of the sim.

As and aside, not all SL sim hosts are HyperThreaded. HyperThreading is an Intel-only architecture feature. For example, some of the fastest new sims are running on AMD dual Opteron systems, which offer no HyperThreading. Also, HyperThreading is frequently overrated and has less of an actual impact on performance than improvements to L1/L2 cache, frontside bus, memory controller, and/or RAM bandwidth.

eltee Statosky

Luskie

Join date: 23 Sep 2003

Posts: 1,258

12-17-2004 09:07

just as an aside many of us have had some really strange client performance problems with SL 1.5.8 and 1.5.9... chances are this is what yer seeing. and believe me its irrespective of the sim yer on... it happens when ya move somewhere with lots of things to download, the client crawls down to 1-2 fps for me.. then over a few minutes it slowly rises back up to 15-20 or more... but if i go somewhere else it happens over again, back down to terrible rate then back up over time as things load in...

this has happened to me on pretty much every sim, from the fastest to the slowest, so im fairly convinced its a client issue

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Adam Zaius

Deus

Join date: 9 Jan 2004

Posts: 1,483

12-17-2004 09:07

Having a constant 0.5 sim use indicates you are on one of the newer opteron boxes. (the fastest availible in the sim roullete)

-Adam

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Moleculor Satyr

Fireflies!

Join date: 5 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,650

12-17-2004 09:50

Your client FPS is based on your settings in your preferences and your hardware. Not LL's machines.

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Jeska Linden

Administrator

Join date: 26 Jul 2004

Posts: 2,388

12-17-2004 09:52

Moved to technical issues.

Carnildo Greenacre

Flight Engineer

Join date: 15 Nov 2003

Posts: 1,044

12-17-2004 23:34

Actually, IIRC, a 0.5 sim CPU usage means either a hyperthreaded P4 or a dual Opteron.

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!@#$%^& old servers!
paulie Femto Into the dark Join date: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,098	12-17-2004 07:22 Can we pleeze stop switching sims over to these ancient servers when the sim reboots? Suisun went from 15 fps to 2 fps. Frustration. _____________________ REUTERS on SL: "Thirty-five thousand people wearing their psyches on the outside and all the attendant unfettered freakishness that brings."
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	12-17-2004 07:42 I think you're confusing Client FPS and Sim FPS. It your sim fps was 15 on the GOOD NEW servers, then your sim is in deep trouble to begin with! -Flip _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Chromal Brodsky ExperimentalMetaphysicist Join date: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 243	12-17-2004 07:57 Suisun is reportedly running at 1400 sim FPS. I don't think the dynamic sim hardware pool is your problem, here. I'd ask you to describe your hardware confuration and client settings, but this discussion would probably be more appropriate in the Technical Issues forum. That said, do check out the SL support wiki page on possible solutions to poor framerates. Also, I've heard a few accounts of "network induced" lag when entering areas for the first time after upgrading to SL v1.5.8/9. I haven't had any problems, personally, but it's another possibility to consider.
paulie Femto Into the dark Join date: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,098	... 12-17-2004 08:23 client fps was around 15 before sim reset. after sim reset, client fps is around 2. in the debug (alt-1) menu, server cpu usage was 0.5 before reset. after reset, server cpu usage is 1.0. this indicates (i believe) that the sim has been switched over to an older, non-hyperthreaded cpu. can we stop doing that? _____________________ REUTERS on SL: "Thirty-five thousand people wearing their psyches on the outside and all the attendant unfettered freakishness that brings."
Chromal Brodsky ExperimentalMetaphysicist Join date: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 243	12-17-2004 09:02 From: paulie Femto client fps was around 15 before sim reset. after sim reset, client fps is around 2. in the debug (alt-1) menu, server cpu usage was 0.5 before reset. after reset, server cpu usage is 1.0. this indicates (i believe) that the sim has been switched over to an older, non-hyperthreaded cpu. can we stop doing that? Client FPS is independent of sim FPS. When you are upset that client FPS has dropped, you are not upset about the sim FPS, or whether or not it is running on a HyperThreaded CPU. You are upset by how client hardware and software (newview) are performing. That client FPS has dropped is an interesting problem, but one that has nothing to do with the sim's hardware. I'm not sure what is causing the drop in client FPS, but I think it more probably has something to do with a change on the client end (e.g.: client software update or other hardware/software environment change on your computer) or possibly in the actual content of the sim. As and aside, not all SL sim hosts are HyperThreaded. HyperThreading is an Intel-only architecture feature. For example, some of the fastest new sims are running on AMD dual Opteron systems, which offer no HyperThreading. Also, HyperThreading is frequently overrated and has less of an actual impact on performance than improvements to L1/L2 cache, frontside bus, memory controller, and/or RAM bandwidth.
eltee Statosky Luskie Join date: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,258	12-17-2004 09:07 just as an aside many of us have had some really strange client performance problems with SL 1.5.8 and 1.5.9... chances are this is what yer seeing. and believe me its irrespective of the sim yer on... it happens when ya move somewhere with lots of things to download, the client crawls down to 1-2 fps for me.. then over a few minutes it slowly rises back up to 15-20 or more... but if i go somewhere else it happens over again, back down to terrible rate then back up over time as things load in... this has happened to me on pretty much every sim, from the fastest to the slowest, so im fairly convinced its a client issue _____________________ wash, rinse, repeat
Adam Zaius Deus Join date: 9 Jan 2004 Posts: 1,483	12-17-2004 09:07 Having a constant 0.5 sim use indicates you are on one of the newer opteron boxes. (the fastest availible in the sim roullete) -Adam _____________________ Co-Founder / Lead Developer GigasSecondServer
Moleculor Satyr Fireflies! Join date: 5 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,650	12-17-2004 09:50 Your client FPS is based on your settings in your preferences and your hardware. Not LL's machines. _____________________ </sarcasm>
Jeska Linden Administrator Join date: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 2,388	12-17-2004 09:52 Moved to technical issues.
Carnildo Greenacre Flight Engineer Join date: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 1,044	12-17-2004 23:34 Actually, IIRC, a 0.5 sim CPU usage means either a hyperthreaded P4 or a dual Opteron. _____________________ perl -le '$_ = 1; (1 x $_) !~ /^(11+)\1+$/ && print while $_++;'

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