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Diamond Summers
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02-06-2006 16:18
Whats the site that costs about $200 something.. its like a cheat for clothing? I know a couple BIG clothing stores in SL that uses it.. does anyone know the name???
AJ DaSilva
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02-06-2006 16:57
From: Diamond Summers
Whats the site that costs about $200 something.. its like a cheat for clothing? I know a couple BIG clothing stores in SL that uses it.. does anyone know the name???
:confused:

Only thing I can think you mean from your post is a 3D application with cloth simulation. Afraid I don't know any that are around $200. Maybe you mean Poser that can, to an extent, be used for a larger preview of clothes before you upload them?

Could you explain what you mean in more detail?
Imani Domela
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02-07-2006 15:27
Think it's more like $200-$500? Ok.. maybe my price range is a little off.. I am actually not sure how much it costs.. all I know is that it costs a lot.. I hear that it makes the clothes for you and all you have to do is size them up on the clothing templates.. I may not be explaining this right.. but if you were to go into the major clothing stores in sl.. and see how "realistic" or how almost "perfect" the designs are, you would know what I am talking about. I would name names but I don't think that is appropriate.
BTW Diamond IT DOES EXIST!!
Kris Ritter
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02-07-2006 15:36
From: Imani Domela
I hear that it makes the clothes for you and all you have to do is size them up on the clothing templates.. I may not be explaining this right..


I'm 99.99% sure you're entirely wrong. That would be a seriously neat trick, whatever it cost!

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but if you were to go into the major clothing stores in sl.. and see how "realistic" or how almost "perfect" the designs are, you would know what I am talking about. I would name names but I don't think that is appropriate.


No, I wouldn't go round naming names in regard to a completely unfounded accusation of using software that doesn't exist, either!

I don't suppose there is any chance that it could be that some people are talented and some people aren't when it comes to making clothes? Even if they're photosourced, to get a realistic looking, seamless and well blended outfit for an avatar takes an awful lot of skill and effort. So it's really kind of a shame when people perpetuate silly rumors that they have some jealously guarded zero effort magic trick for auto manufacturing their products.
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02-07-2006 16:33
From: Kris Ritter
really kind of a shame when people perpetuate silly rumors that they have some jealously guarded zero effort magic trick for auto manufacturing their products.


hah! You've obviously never seen the "make cool" button! ;)
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Joy Honey
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02-07-2006 16:38
From: Chip Midnight
hah! You've obviously never seen the "make cool" button! ;)


How much is that plug in? :D
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Chip Midnight
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02-07-2006 16:40
From: Joy Honey
How much is that plug in? :D


I believe it costs a pound of flesh (each time you use it).
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Joy Honey
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02-07-2006 16:52
From: Chip Midnight
I believe it costs a pound of flesh (each time you use it).


Cool, I need to lose weight anyway :D
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Lizbeth Marlowe
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02-07-2006 18:07
Are you talking about HADDS?
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-08-2006 04:21
From: Imani Domela
ok.. maybe my price range is a little off.. I am actually not sure how much it costs.. all I know is that it costs a lot.. I hear that it makes the clothes for you and all you have to do is size them up on the clothing templates.. I may not be explaining this right.. but if you were to go into the major clothing stores in sl.. and see how "realistic" or how almost "perfect" the designs are, you would know what I am talking about. I would name names but I don't think that is appropriate.


The "cheat" is photosourcing, if you want to call it that. Mostly, however, what you are seeing is just hard work and skill.
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Diamond Summers
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Thank You Imani!!!!!!!!
02-08-2006 16:03
As for Kris' comment:
"Even if they're photosourced, to get a realistic looking, seamless and well blended outfit for an avatar takes an awful lot of skill and effort. So it's really kind of a shame when people perpetuate silly rumors that they have some jealously guarded zero effort magic trick for auto manufacturing their products."

All I have to say is, I do agree to a certain extent. This is just what I heard. I am rather new. I agree that it would have to take an awful lot of skill and effort to pull off the seamless,realistic look. I'm sure that it will take A LOT OF TIME to work on one piece just so it can have that look. HOWEVER, isn't it funny that they come out with NEW items as often as they do? And the quantity of new items is a lot for good QUALITY clothing such as these.. Makes ya wonder eh? So my assumption stands. I would still like to know what it is and if anyone knows about it.. let me know =)
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02-08-2006 16:48
From: Diamond Summers
HOWEVER, isn't it funny that they come out with NEW items as often as they do?


Nope.

From: Diamond Summers
And the quantity of new items is a lot for good QUALITY clothing such as these.. Makes ya wonder eh?


Nope.

From: Diamond Summers
So my assumption stands.


Nope.

From: Diamond Summers
I would still like to know what it is and if anyone knows about it.. let me know =)


It's nothing. Whatever you are imagining, it doesn't exist. Sorry. There is no magic "make clothes" button.
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Zana Feaver
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02-08-2006 16:54
Well, I'd say that a lot of designers use a combo of photosourced details, hand done details, and various sorts of fabric -- some use whole photosourced outfits. Whether or not they take their photos is another thread entirely.

However, from what I know, it's more likely that those designers use the same alpha channels over and over, or have created another template related system that makes some parts of the process easier -- but it definitely doesn't make it *easy* to create well done clothing. If it's done well, there was *some* skill put into it.

As for the amount of new products that come out often in various shops -- that could be anything -- it could be an obsessed artist, it could be a shop that relies heavily on photosourcing of whole outfits (where ever they get their photos). There's a million explanations and it's not really totally fair to dig into that question too deeply IMHO :D.

Anyway, I checked out HADDS, which looks okay but it certainly doesn't include the shading, or the attention to detail that most really good designers incorporate into their work. In fact, it just looks like a bunch of vectors that a good artist could whip up on their own anyway :D.
Joy Honey
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02-08-2006 17:23
From: Diamond Summers
As for Kris' comment:
"Even if they're photosourced, to get a realistic looking, seamless and well blended outfit for an avatar takes an awful lot of skill and effort. So it's really kind of a shame when people perpetuate silly rumors that they have some jealously guarded zero effort magic trick for auto manufacturing their products."

All I have to say is, I do agree to a certain extent. This is just what I heard. I am rather new. I agree that it would have to take an awful lot of skill and effort to pull off the seamless,realistic look. I'm sure that it will take A LOT OF TIME to work on one piece just so it can have that look. HOWEVER, isn't it funny that they come out with NEW items as often as they do? And the quantity of new items is a lot for good QUALITY clothing such as these.. Makes ya wonder eh? So my assumption stands. I would still like to know what it is and if anyone knows about it.. let me know =)


They have mastered photoshop (or GIMP or PSP). It takes time to reach the skill level required to make clothes so quickly, nothing more, nothing less. Well... there are plug-ins that do some neat stuff, but for the most part, it is pure SKILL.
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Lizbeth Marlowe
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02-08-2006 17:26
I must be on everyone's ignore list. I think I found it...read my post a few posts back?
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Robin Sojourner
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02-08-2006 18:55
Lizbeth, that program can't begin to do the stuff that's in SL.

It's for RL clothing designers, and allows you to mix various styles of collars, cuffs, necklines, etc. to make flat pictures of outfits. It's like the "Betsy McCall Fashion Designer" that my grandmother gave me for Christmas when I was seven or eight.

Even if you bought the thing, I don't think it would help a bit for the kinds of things you have to do to make realistic clothing in SL.

Even the high-end professional software made for the Fashion industry doesn't do the things we would need. For instance, AGE technologies Style Draper Pro could probably make part of the task easier. But at $1590 US for the Pro version (or $910 US for the Regular) I seriously doubt that anyone in SL is actually using the thing!

Especially since you still have to have the clothing all designed to start with. The only thing it does is add fabric to an existing photo (or template, in our case.) Once you have the skill with your favorite graphics application, that kind of thing is just as easy (and far cheaper) to do by hand.

There isn't any magic software that's a cheat to make SL clothing.

The stuff I do, by remapping the model UVs, and burning the textures onto the Linden UVs so that I can have absolutely seamless jackets and things is about as close as you're going to get to such a cheat, I think.

(If you want to try that, Diamond, the program I use is called LightWave, it's available from NewTek, and the price has recently been dropped to $795 US. Or you could use 3DS Max, or Maya, or any of the other high-end 3D software, as you can see by reading the various threads about burning textures onto prims and things. I'll warn you that there is a fairly steep learning curve for any of these packages.)

Diamond, if you are positive that designers are using such software, and you know which designers they are, why don't you ask them what they are using?
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