Green tint on snapshots opened in ps
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Melyissa Glitterbuck
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02-28-2006 09:55
I just cant figure it out, I take a pic in sl ...save it to disk..open it in ps and it has this green tint. It looks fine if i save it to a texture or if i open it up in paint. Even old pics that i've opened fine in ps now have a green tint. I've tried uninstalling and resinstall on the program and still have this green tint! Its driving me crazy!!!! lol Anyone know what this could be?? Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks!!!
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Osgeld Barmy
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02-28-2006 11:05
see im not completely nuts, others get the green tint in photoshop too !
i have my theorys but no way to correct it without skewing photoshops color out of wack for everything else =/
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Chosen Few
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02-28-2006 11:11
Sounds like a color management issue in Photoshop. Before we go that route though, do images taken from other sources also appear green or just ones from SL? What happens if you take a screenshot with Windows instead of with SL itself? Does the SL portion of the screenshot still look green? Does the whole thing? To do a Windows screeshot, in case you didn't know, press ctrl-printscreen. That will copy whatever's onscreen to the Windows clipboard. Then open a new document in Photoshop and go Edit -> Paste. Do that a few times and you can see infinity. 
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02-28-2006 13:20
I made a test swatch using a "websafe" pallete to check this out. I dropped the texture on all the AVs in this thread. I put it on a prim, set the prim to "full bright" took a "snapshot" to disk and all the colors were read back in pshop exactly. Color management in pshop and in general is tough. The Adobe Gamma control panel that ships with pshop is a good starting point, having an ICM profile for your monitor is another understanding the pshop Color Spaces is yet another. The biggest problem that I have with friends who are working on digital photography is there are a lot of really craptastic monitors out there which no amount of tweaking can help. Unfortunately, you may not see any problems with sRGB color space images (sRGB was deisgned to target lousy monitors) but the differences may become very noticable if you shift to - for example - AdobeRGB colorspace. If this paragraph didn't make any sense to you, you may need to read more about color management, it would have been incomprehensible to me once. Here is the test swatch, made in pshop, uploaded to SL, snapshotted to BMP and rerendered as GIF. The colors are pure. 
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Melyissa Glitterbuck
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02-28-2006 13:33
From: Chosen Few Sounds like a color management issue in Photoshop. Before we go that route though, do images taken from other sources also appear green or just ones from SL? What happens if you take a screenshot with Windows instead of with SL itself? Does the SL portion of the screenshot still look green? Does the whole thing? To do a Windows screeshot, in case you didn't know, press ctrl-printscreen. That will copy whatever's onscreen to the Windows clipboard. Then open a new document in Photoshop and go Edit -> Paste. Do that a few times and you can see infinity.  Ok i did the screenshot in windows with sl open and pasted it in ps, and it all has the green tint...I know its not my monitor it was working fine 2 days ago and everything looks good in sl...I'm just going to crawl under my desk and cry now lol I also tried saving the pic as a tga file and bring it back to sl, and it looks fine there...dont know if that helps
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Osgeld Barmy
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02-28-2006 14:42
Its not my monitor either im sitting under 6500 kelvin "daylight" lighting and my Mitsubishi LCD has been calabrated with one of those doohickys where you stick a cling strip to your screen and match it. Since one of my earlier jobs was selling phtographic light equipment im pretty shure my colors accurate. possibally too accurate, but i like the daylight bulbs besides you can see it in screen captures, check it out http://www.cheesefactory.us/SL.jpghttp://www.cheesefactory.us/gimp.jpghttp://www.cheesefactory.us/PS7.jpg
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02-28-2006 15:22
Okay, I'm officially baffled, thanks for the comparisons, Osgeld. I'm going to leave this one to Chosen. I'm out of my depth.
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Osgeld Barmy
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02-28-2006 15:23
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Chosen Few
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02-28-2006 21:00
Thanks for the swatch, Introvert, and thanks for the screenshots, Osgeld. I'm a bit baffled for the moment as well, I'm afraid. I've never seen this problem before. I'm really curious what it might be, so I'll see if I can hunt down a possible cause/solution tomorrow if I have some time, but I do have 2 projects to work on tomorrow and then I'm going out of town again from Thursday until Sunday.
In the mean time, Robin, if you're reading this, any thoughts?
I find it particularly interesting that Melyssa was able to re-upload to SL and the green cast disappeared. That would strongly indicate a color mamagement issue in PS, but since the "greening" only happens to images surced from SL, the whole thing is really, really weird. If it were truly a color space thing, it should affect images from other sources as well. Really strange.
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03-01-2006 01:19
What you see in Photoshop could be the colour correction that it does to all the files relative to your monitor. At some point, some of us might have recalibrated this, accidentally choosed a different profile or recently installed some new printer drivers which affect the colour correction profiles. It has no effect on the end product whatsoever, so if you save the file and open it using paint, the windows browser, or upload it back to SL, it looks normal. People in the graphics industry should know this well as its used to correct crappy monitors, like Introvert mentioned. In PS7, go to edit > color settings. Clicking one the 'advanced mode' checkbox, opens up some extra features. Under 'working spaces', choose the custom RGB option. Then play around with the figures there. I've posted a couple of screenshots to show this. You can basically mess things up very badly. Save any sample file and view it with something else. It looks normal. Getting this right is important, because your eyes are constantly fooled by poor color correction. http://forums.secondlife.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=40927http://forums.secondlife.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=40928
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03-01-2006 07:28
The important question here is is the greening happening just to images sourced from SL or to images sourced from other locations as well. If it's the former, then it's really weird. If it's the latter, then it's no big deal, simply a question of color management (as Cottontiel just said, and I said earlier), and it can easily be corrected. There seems to be some discrepency in the posting history about what the case actually is. So, once and for all, Osgeld, Melyssa, are you seeing green tints on any other images in PS besides the ones you've sourced from SL? Here is a pretty informative article on PS7 color management, by the way. On a side note, Cottonteil, you really keep your white point at 7500? Don't you find that to be a bit too blue?
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03-01-2006 11:06
Hi! Sorry that I've been out of the loop for the last few days. My plate has been too full in RL to do much here.  I'm guessing that it's a color management issue, as well. Osgeld and Melyissa, do you by any chance have your Color Management Policies in PS set to "Convert to Working RGB" and your Conversion Options set to "Absolute Colorimetric"? That can result in color shifts like this, when you move from one color space to another. (It didn't, in my tests, but it's the only thing I can think of; and I'm not necessarily using the same color spaces as you guys.) If you do, you might want to change the Conversion Options to "Perceptual" and see if that helps solve the problem. If it's not that, I'm puzzled too.
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Melyissa Glitterbuck
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03-01-2006 12:06
Well to add to all this bizzareness....I reinstalled ps 2x's, completely uninstalled and reinstalled...and it was still happening. I check all thoes setting to my friends version and it was the same. I took a screen shot in windows and it was green in ps so it wasnt just sl...i was so frustrated i walked away for a few hrs, came back and it was fine, I almost fell on the floor! I have no idea what I changed or what happened but now its fine...Thank you everone for your input and gl Osgeld! I'll keep check back if there is a solution incase this happends again...
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03-01-2006 12:55
From: Melyissa Glitterbuck Well to add to all this bizzareness....I reinstalled ps 2x's, completely uninstalled and reinstalled...and it was still happening. I check all thoes setting to my friends version and it was the same. I took a screen shot in windows and it was green in ps so it wasnt just sl...i was so frustrated i walked away for a few hrs, came back and it was fine, I almost fell on the floor! I have no idea what I changed or what happened but now its fine...Thank you everone for your input and gl Osgeld! I'll keep check back if there is a solution incase this happends again... Have you ingested any fungi of unknown species recently? Totally kidding; that is a chin scratcher though Robin's post makes the most sense which would also explain Osgeld's snaps as the GIMP doesn't do color management (last I looked). As to the "go away for two hours trick" um... karma?
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Osgeld Barmy
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03-01-2006 13:39
i recently reinstalled windows bout 2 months ago, when i got a new video card, just to clean off junk ... anyways photoshop hasnt been on this install untill the other day when i needed it (i dont use it much)
soo i dunno whats up
it happens with textures transfered out of sl and with images that were originally made with the gimp, ive also seen it pop up in Adobie Illistrator images
Since i dont use ps much im not fully worried about it, eventho it is weird, it just adds a cupple extra steps when i do use ps, to avoid issues.
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03-01-2006 13:43
From: Chosen Few On a side note, Cottonteil, you really keep your white point at 7500? Don't you find that to be a bit too blue? No, I installed PS7 to grab the screenshots and test these. They aren't the usual settings.
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