I have been seeing some human av's that have a normal skin on them yet thier eyes are super tiny or alien looking.
I have played with the sliders til im blue in the face I have had other shape makers take a go at it.. nothinglike the photos I have seen for alot of these so called people modeling clothes in Sl.
If I wanted to get a really rounded inner corner to my eye and have the outer corner end up super pointy is there a trick to it that maybe was built with prims somehow?
I swear half the people I see in store advertisements simply dont exsiti and that photo was photoshoped!
Honestly if there is a secret carving or shaping tool out there or if there is someone who has a secret or two and wants to make a custom shape find me in game or reply here!
Arrigatto!!!
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Aluviel Nakamura
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10-19-2007 22:09
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FD Spark
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10-20-2007 01:56
I guess if you skilled texture artist or 3d shape artist you could create many things.
I am not exactly there yet but if I can't make something, my friends can and other then few things I spend L on. I really don't need to shop, it just waste of money in most cases to me. There is good products out there that are worth spending money on if you want to by very skilled texture artist,etc. As far eyes and shapes. The sliders and templates do have some limitations. Eyes often are made with templates what is what the sliders use for avatar clothes, shapes,etc. I am just learning how the templates and all that goes with making things like skin, hair and eyes is very complex and there is lot to know. I still don't entirely get it and I struggled hard to learn what I have. But I do know this there is limits to sliders. Eyes are template in themselves, same with clothes,etc. What you can't do with sliders you must use prims and fancy texture mapping tricks. Basically you need to know how to draw or texture what you want on specific area to fit the prim related item you're making to look a certain way. Yes sadly there are things out and people who make for example. I don't want to make shoes, so often this happens when I buy shoes. They look great in package, I take them out and shoes are incredibly huge or something else is wrong with them. Some really unthinking content creator has put these huge prim shoes put them in package that looks great but they are so huge I swear there are no real feet that could ever wear them in SL. Its seems like they make item basically impossible or hard to edit to have the shoe fit the person who just bought the item. In order to fit the shoe you basically if they allow you to modify the prims you have to rearrange, shrink every prim, relocate it for item you've spent money on because no one designs shoes for specific slider sides that I have run across because it would take too much work.. It just would be easier in long run to make your shoes. This drives me absolutely nuts. Also, Yes there are people who make the wrapping look better then actual item within the package. This is one of the reason why I don't buy many products is there is lot of dishonest people out there selling awful stuff for few L. _____________________
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Aluviel Nakamura
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10-20-2007 02:17
heh thats what I thought. certian photos taken at the right angel can look WAY better than the real thing.
Thanks for the honest answer I really appreciate it ^^ adomo arrigatto^^ |
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10-20-2007 06:15
While it's possible that some of the images you're talking about could be employing "trick" photography, it's more likely that what you're seeing is pictures of well made skins. The actual geometry of the avatar mesh is quite simple, but apply a very well painted skin texture to it, and you can create the illusion that it is shaped very differently from how it actually is. A shadow here, a highlight there, and all of a sudden it looks like a brand new shape.
Think of it kind of like wearing makeup in RL. Don't like the shape of your own eyes? A little liner and eyeshadow can go a long way toward making them appear larger or smaller or pointier or what have you. Their actual shape of your face will never change, of course (without surgery), but the perception of its shape can be altered quite dramatically with the right application of makeup. In SL, that change to perception can be even more dramatic. We take our notion of shape from shading. If something looks darker, we assume it's angled away from us. If it's lighter, it must be angled towards us. Clever trickery with shading can convince our eyes they're seeing things that aren't at all what's really there. _____________________
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10-21-2007 00:34
I guess if you skilled texture artist or 3d shape artist you could create many things. I am not exactly there yet but if I can't make something, my friends can and other then few things I spend L on. I really don't need to shop, it just waste of money in most cases to me. There is good products out there that are worth spending money on if you want to by very skilled texture artist,etc. As far eyes and shapes. The sliders and templates do have some limitations. Eyes often are made with templates what is what the sliders use for avatar clothes, shapes,etc. I am just learning how the templates and all that goes with making things like skin, hair and eyes is very complex and there is lot to know. I still don't entirely get it and I struggled hard to learn what I have. But I do know this there is limits to sliders. Eyes are template in themselves, same with clothes,etc. What you can't do with sliders you must use prims and fancy texture mapping tricks. Basically you need to know how to draw or texture what you want on specific area to fit the prim related item you're making to look a certain way. Yes sadly there are things out and people who make for example. I don't want to make shoes, so often this happens when I buy shoes. They look great in package, I take them out and shoes are incredibly huge or something else is wrong with them. Some really unthinking content creator has put these huge prim shoes put them in package that looks great but they are so huge I swear there are no real feet that could ever wear them in SL. Its seems like they make item basically impossible or hard to edit to have the shoe fit the person who just bought the item. In order to fit the shoe you basically if they allow you to modify the prims you have to rearrange, shrink every prim, relocate it for item you've spent money on because no one designs shoes for specific slider sides that I have run across because it would take too much work.. It just would be easier in long run to make your shoes. This drives me absolutely nuts. Also, Yes there are people who make the wrapping look better then actual item within the package. This is one of the reason why I don't buy many products is there is lot of dishonest people out there selling awful stuff for few L. Hey, FD. What is your feet size. I'll send you my shoes I just made. _____________________
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Aluviel Nakamura
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10-21-2007 09:34
well i did an experiment..
I bought a shape that I thought was WAY better looking onthe advertisement then it would be on me.. well In my crappy skin that I only paid 300 for yeap didnt look a thing like the store sign.. I did however put on one of my good skins from Mojo and Nyten Dat and I even tried a demo from Cake. and Boom there it was!! It may not be as dramatic as I wouldve liked Thats ok! I am satified knowing that it has to be the right skin to make the shape really do its magic. Its really too bad I cant post a photo.. I will post it on www.slprofiles.com/aluviel |
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FD Spark
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10-21-2007 23:19
You need to use advance mode and select the img icon with correct address of the image.
Right click image select properties copy the url then type I just figured this out recently. here is attempt to post your link not sure if it will work though if its wrong url _____________________
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FD Spark
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10-21-2007 23:20
You need to use advance mode and select the img icon with correct address of the image.
Right click image select properties copy the url then type I just figured this out recently. _____________________
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10-22-2007 07:34
well i did an experiment.. I bought a shape that I thought was WAY better looking onthe advertisement then it would be on me.. well In my crappy skin that I only paid 300 for yeap didnt look a thing like the store sign.. I did however put on one of my good skins from Mojo and Nyten Dat and I even tried a demo from Cake. and Boom there it was!! It may not be as dramatic as I wouldve liked Thats ok! I am satified knowing that it has to be the right skin to make the shape really do its magic. I figured that would be the case. I'm glad you got to see it first hand. It's likely that in order for your shape to look just like the one in the sign, you'd need to wear the exact skin as the model in the sign was wearing. I wouldn't blame the store owner for this though. It's really hard to advertise well in SL when it comes to body parts, clothing, or even prim objects. The same problem might have happened just as easily the other way around. What might look like a fantastic skin on one avatar shape could look terrible on the next. People accuse sellers of "false advertising" or of doctoring their ad photos all the time. Usually it's just because the customer doesn't understand that textures fall differently onto different shapes. Unfortunately, there's no way to make a skin or a clothing item that will work well on all avatars. It just can't be done. People need to take that into account when shopping. Its really too bad I cant post a photo.. I will post it on www.slprofiles.com/aluviel As FD said, us IMG in your brackets instead of URL. In any case, your link seems to be broken. When I click it, I just get "page not found". _____________________
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10-23-2007 04:01
Hey, FD. What is your feet size. I'll send you my shoes I just made. I am the smallest size male avatars come in without scripts. That would be nice but you don't have too... but I always love gifts. I have been ponder template shoes or just stick to socks. LOL I had a friend send me another pair he said its nice pair and easy to reallign just been to busy. By the wade I may my first template shirt it turned out okay for first try. . Does anyone know if shirt texture can become part of glove texture or does this have to as just gloves. Because in the template I made the sleeves go down the center of hand and connect to 2 fingers. My orginal alt joined in 2003 here. I got overwhelmed and left didn't come back for years. It still overwhelming and confusing even now but I know tiny bit more. I must say for some of us its hard to tell sometimes with certain products out there is this because I don't have skills or comprehendsion or their something wrong with the product. And there is a lot to learn here. It does seem from someone who is starting out or doesn't understand things like shapes, attachments or what not if they see one product one and when they put it on and it does something else and they ask the owner why does the product I bought from them look this way when its on the box and often it might be well those shoes weren't for men. I got smallest feet for guy in SL I should be similar to small female foot size but it isn't. I don't mean to say every time its about scams artist but sometimes when you're new or not use to dealing with other people's products it does seem very misleading and confusing enough where its often easier to make your own products or go without if you don't understand. Example of this is had happen several times when I was decided on skins or looking to see if I wanted to buy them even when I was looking at skins before the skin didn't look like what was in photo because of my shape, I thought it was skin maker when I was new false advertisng,etc. Then I had to bring friend bring me to this one place with skins for sell and I got a demo skin and it looked different then what was shown it had to do with shape I was wearing. Boy did I feel stupid. _____________________
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