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Amunet Zander
Sinner? hmm could be ; )
Join date: 15 May 2004
Posts: 57
02-16-2008 16:36
A few weeks ago my pc hard drive just died. I got a new one and all is well except for...

I had a plug in for doing transparencys in Photoshop. It made my life easier by doing what ever it did with alpha channels so I didnt have too. Now...Ive lost it. Ive searched and searched...and cant find it anywhere.
Of course its been so long I dont remember the name of it either. If anyone has any ideas please help! :confused:
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Rolig Loon
Not as dumb as I look
Join date: 22 Mar 2007
Posts: 2,482
A glass half full, maybe.....
02-16-2008 17:24
I hate it when things like that happen. I've had a hard drive blow up and take down my files too, so I know how you feel. On the bright side, maybe this is your incentive to finally sit down and figure out how to handle transparency by yourself, without the plug-in. It's really not that hard, and you'll be freed forever from having to work with a black box and not understanding what it does.

Robin Sojourner (Wood) wrote an excellent tutorial just the other day and posted a link to it in this forum. Take a look at it, work through the exercises she does, and see if they boost your skills -- and your confidence.

Meanwhile, you have my real sympathy. :P
Tarina Sewell
Just Browsing Thank you
Join date: 20 Jul 2007
Posts: 2,180
02-16-2008 17:43
I think its flaming pear solidify
Void Singer
Int vSelf = Sing(void);
Join date: 24 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,973
02-17-2008 11:39
it's amazing how few responses have been posted, given the descriptive title, and the precise explanation of what it is OP is looking for and how it worked or what it looked like.

yes there's sarcasm in there...

it helps if you make the title about something, so someone that may know will see it an post about it... like "missing PS plugin" and then tell us what exactly the plugin did, since there are literally hundreds of plugins that "do something to the alpha channel" or at least look like they do on a level.. and maybe even tell us whate the plucin control looked like, if it had an special logos or such....

this isn't meant to belittle on you, but it's frustrating when people expect you to know what they're seeing, or experiencing without them giving us something to go on... it's like trying to give driving directions to someone on the phone and when you ask them where they're at, they say "on a road", or "at a stoplight". makes you want to reach through the speaker and strangle them.
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Chosen Few
Alpha Channel Slave
Join date: 16 Jan 2004
Posts: 7,496
02-17-2008 13:02
Sounds to me like the plugin in question was the TGA saver from Photoshop 7.0. Key words, "It did... alpha channel so I didn't have to."

If that's what it was, then trust me; you're better off without it. Here's the info on it, which I repeat every time this subject comes up:

From: Chosen Few
If you install the PS 7.0 TGA saver utility, you will FUBAR your Photoshop. Stay away from it at all cost.

That utility was only in existence officially for a few short months, and it was by far the biggest blunder in Adobe's history. Adobe realized their mistake almost instantly, and corrected the problem with the free 7.0.1 upgrade, but unfortunately the damage still lingers, as is evidenced every time someone posts it somewhere on the net, under the erroneous promise that it will make life easier. Files created with that utility suffer the following problems:

1. They will have visual artifacts in them which will be impossible to correct, the most common of which is a white halo surrounding the opaque parts of the image.

2. The files will be incompatible with most graphics applications. Instead of real alpha channels, which have been a staple of the graphics industry for decades, and so can be understood by nearly all graphics programs, those 7.0-style files contain a proprietary element called an "embedded alpha", which almost no program on Earth can read. It's only by an utter miracle of conicidental timing that SL can read those files at all. The relevant part of SL happened to have been under development at during that short 3-month period when PS 7.0 was current.

3. People who use the embedded alpha work flow do so primarily because they mistakenly think it's a time saver. In truth, it is not a significant time saver at all since making an alpha channel only takes a few seconds at most. Learning to use alpha channels might not be intuitive for most people at first, but really, once you learn how to do it, it's incredibly quick and easy. It's not rocket science.

4. For images with complicated transparency levels, like stained glass windows, for example, the embedded alpha work flow actually makes the process take MUCH longer than it takes to make a real alpha channel.

5. Very importantly, embedded alpha work flow encourages destructive habits. By disallowing you the ability to create and edit alpha channels properly, it ends up costing you an enormous amount of control and flexibility. There are countless situations in which working directly on the alpha channel itself allows you to do things you could never otherwise do in any reasonable amount of time, if at all.

6. Once installed, that 7.0 plugin effectively destroys your ability to every again work properly with real alpha channels should you ever choose to do so. Even if you remove it, PS won't behave entirely properly afterwards. The only recourse is to completely uninstall PS and then reinstall it all over again. What a pain.

7. Files containing embedded alphas are prone to sudden, irreversible data corruption. I have no idea why, but they often end up with colored lines spontaneously appearing across any white space in the image. Once that happens, the file is toast. You can manually erase the lines, but as soon as you close the file and reopen it, they come back.


So, once again, DO NOT INSTALL THAT FILE!!! It is nothing but trouble.

Now, can we please, please, please, please never speak of it again?


If you're really deadset against using alpha channels, then instead of borking your Photoshop with that horrendously dangerous plugin, just use the PNG format instead of TGA. PNG supports both alpha transparency and simple transparency. With PNG's simple transparency, you work entirely with WYSIWYG, and you never have to worry about any of the problems associated with embedded alphas.



Now, if that auto-alpha disasterware is not in fact what you were asking for, then what was it? You might be referring to the action set created by Robin Sojourner that PROPERLY automates the process in one click. You can find that on her website, www.robinwood.com, if she's still got it up. The advent of PNG support in SL makes it pretty unnecessary.
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Amunet Zander
Sinner? hmm could be ; )
Join date: 15 May 2004
Posts: 57
02-18-2008 15:26
Thanks for the posts. I now remember why I do not use the forums for SL. Everyone is always so nice and help full.

HAD I remembered more info btw I would have posted it. Again, Sorry not perfect, consider this thread closed.
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Chosen Few
Alpha Channel Slave
Join date: 16 Jan 2004
Posts: 7,496
Uh, what?
02-18-2008 16:16
I'm not sure what your last post is supposed to mean, Amunet. Your thanks for the responses seems pretty out of balance with your sentiment of "this is why I don't use the forums." I must therefore conclude that the thanks was sarcastic, and that you somehow feel you were wronged by four complete strangers who volunteered their own time to try to help answer your question, for no other reason than a genuine desire to help. Is that correct? If so, all I can say is wow, somebody's got some issues.

From where I stand, you got a handful of attempted answers to the very vague question you actually asked, plus a suggested explanation for why you didn't get more answers, or even better answers, more quickly. What's wrong with that?

For what it's worth, I agree with Void's point, although I probably would have phrased it differently. The more descriptive the title, the more people will read the thread. And the more detailed the question, the better the answers will be.

If such requirements of description are too much for you to handle, then you're right; you're better off not using anything so text based as these forums. However, the fact that you can do things like spell your own name tells me that this kind of thing probably isn't beyond you.

If the answers you got weren't the ones you wanted, help us out. What is it you are looking for?

You might not remember such details of that plugin as its name or where you got it, but surely you remember how you used it, right? If it's the 7.0 file I talked about in my earlier post, then the answer to that question would be "How I used it was I simply installed it, and then afterwards I was able to use a transparent background in my images instead of making an alpha channel by hand." If it was something else, then the answer would be "To use it, I performed the following steps, and it produced the following results..." As Void said, anything you can give us to go on will help us to help you. But you must realize that simply saying "it did whatever it did" could mean literally anything. What did it do?

Whatever's going on, I think one thing is clear. You're averse to the idea of making alpha channels yourself, right? Why you'd want to sell yourself short like that, I have no idea, but that's your decision to make, not mine. With that being the case, I would suggest that you forget about the TGA format altogether, and use PNG. With PNG, you'll never have to even think about alphas if you don't want to. PNG can use simple transparency, which means what you see is what you get. Just paint your image onto an otherwise transparent background. That's all you need to do.

There are, of course, some serious limitations in working that way, which is why alpha channels exist in the first place, but I suspect you probably won't care about that. Use WYSIWYG methodology, save as PNG, and I'm sure you'll be perfectly happy.
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Rolig Loon
Not as dumb as I look
Join date: 22 Mar 2007
Posts: 2,482
02-18-2008 16:50
From: Amunet Zander
Thanks for the posts. I now remember why I do not use the forums for SL. Everyone is always so nice and help full.

HAD I remembered more info btw I would have posted it. Again, Sorry not perfect, consider this thread closed.


Geez, I thought I was pretty sympathetic. Even suggested a nice, clean way to learn how to do it right, too. Go figure......
Amunet Zander
Sinner? hmm could be ; )
Join date: 15 May 2004
Posts: 57
02-18-2008 20:08
Why I decided to answer this is beyond me since it will do nothing more than cause me to be flamed in this forum. But here goes...

Roliq, thank you for your response. I am sorry my sarcasim was not aimed at you.

Chosen,
First I will say I have read your post in other threads. And thank you for the reply yet again here. Second, if I have issuse's, well they are mine and none of your buisness, but thank you for trying to point them out in a public forum.
I asked for a lot I know with not knowing the name of the file ect.

Void,
There is much I want to say, and none that I will.

So again. I'm done with this thread, feel free to post or not but I won't be responding. I should have known better than to try here in the first place. People are more interested in attacking how one does post than actually helping the person with a question.
Oh and as for the title of the post, again I'm sorry but I figured people who wanted to help would look, I guess I was half right there. Others just want someone to belittle to make themselves feel better. Hope it did.
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Nectere Niven
Gadget Junky
Join date: 12 Jan 2007
Posts: 211
02-18-2008 21:30
Did you try Flaming Pear plugins? There is one called Solidify.

Good stuff really, and free.