Prim clothes & attachments

Can someone explain little bit about the attachment points in regards to making Prim clothing and attachment points.
Is there any tutorials about this?
About recommend shapes, steps for shirts, pants?
Thanks in advance.
FD

Do people actually make prim shirts and pants? I'm an avid "high-end" shopper myself and haven't come across them in my journeys.

I am trying too make prim pants, jackets, shirts out of prims. I haven't seen much about those items.
I also been doing some avatars but its nothing fancy yet just made hunchback of notre dame, wolf mouth, goth robot looking avatar, claymation bearded cartoon looking guy.
I have been experimenting with codpeices, pants, shirts. I got pair of pants in my workshop with strange type shirt but the connection points and the behind part I am having issues wih.
My friend just made shirt that looks like what might be used for armor.
Problem with prim clothing is its really hard to do the more complex type and it has to be made just for the shape of person wearing it or sold with a shape to have it work right. Putting it on is just as hard too.
I have been trying to figure out how to hide one of issues with making small avatars.
There chest look really strange, they got bizare boobs that don't look right.
So I want to make shirt or smock for my friend, the other avatar I occassionally llike to wear that doesn't show those bizare barrell chest or hanging boobs.
I don't do templates yet and the things I want to do you can't do with templates it has to be prims.
Issue I having is connection places and shapes.
Appearance slider has some limitations with prims there is more options if you can figure out how to pull it off.
How do I get certain look that I am going for. I am struggling right now with how do I make that prim look like flat chest with certain curves in shoulders? Where do I set the connection points for sleeves, neck collar, back and front of a smock, jacket or the certain fit that goes with pants or overhauls?
Is easier to put on and off at set body points. Should item not be joined?
These things I am dealing with and my landmate I haven't seen in few days to ask him how he did the armor.

Wow, sounds quite interesting! I wish I could be of help but sadly you're out of a mere shopper's realm I sure hope someone can provide an answer and please do post a screenie when it's all done

I have image of the armor in my shop.
My friend would probably love the Lindens.
It really cool armor looking shirt.
I think the links and/or image is in profile.
I post later my first attempt at prim outfit I am working on.

People make rip-off clothes with prims. I mostly see skirts and silks with that feature. I think you're in uncharted territory with prim pants and shirts.

As for attachment points, look under the 'edit' menu then go to 'attach object.' That shows you all the attachment points. I would try attaching a small box on each attachment point and watch how it moves when you walk around.

I have a winter coat made from prims. The prim style works for that since being bulky is part of the style. It was, however, an exercise in patience to get all the pieces fit to my shape. And there is sort of a 'Michelin Man' look about it. As far as making something smooth-fitting...I just can't imagine how it would work. I'm thinking perhaps instead of making an entire shirt out of prims how about making some draping bits (like a wide collar?) to help hide the oddness you see in with extremely short avatars.

Bree> I hope not everyone assumes prim skirts are "rip off"! I have a few gowns and I'd be horrified if people thought I was going to start stripping just because I was wearing a prim skirt! ^o^

Well I just made my first attractive 4 prim smock, Just need to put the photos up. Attach and test it but I kept messing with until there server logged out and wouldn't let me log in.
I just got to find place to post the images.
I will share my progress soon as I can on first prim designed little girls smock.

Difficult but can be done and if I am correct are done. So yes.

You might want to look for shapes tutorials sine I believe you almost into that area.

This is lace toga shirt I made the smock is embarrassing nightmare.
I call it my broken hearted flower boy after the hellish month I have been through.
http://journals.aol.com/seattleoutsider/seattle-outsiders-thoughts/
It the most recent blog.
I didn't feel like edit photo so please forgive the double image in background.
P.S. I also find only certain textures work on this shaped prim.
Its 3 prim twisted ring.

Where is that?

Definitely getting there. I can't post on your blog, but I'm pretty sure it is possible to create pants, shirts and what-not out of prims. After all, the principle isn't too different than making a furry avatar, or a robot.

There are some things prims can do rather well for clothes, but for the most part, it's pretty limited.

Flexi-prims are the only method I have ever seen that works for making a cape.

Flexi skirts are getting better, but for those of us who have furry avatars with tails, the pelvis attachment point is usually already in use, and 'stomach' or 'spine' don't work as well for tails or for skirts.

The attachment points on the hands, arms, legs and head are pretty reliable. What you atach there generally moves as expected with the body.

I never have understood why there is no "neck" attachment point. You must use chest or spine to attach something to the neck. Ususally Chest.

Likewise, there isn't a "waist" attachment point - just stomach and pelvis.

Pelvis moves well with the hips. Stomach moves less-well with hip movement. Spine generally does not move with the hips at all.

Shoulders float a bit, and the pectoral attachment points are really too mobile for most uses. For example, if you attach prim nipples to the pectoral points, they move in and out of the avatar surface as you move. Not good.

Trying to make entire clothing items out of prims results in 'body armor', that moves like stiff plares, and not at all like clothing. Prim clothes also only fit one body shape well.

Kudos to you for pushing the envelope on prim wearables, but you've set yourself on a difficult course.

Yeah several issues with prim clothes and clothing attachments.
Things I have learned:
1) When you make them flexible you often become naked.
2) When rezzing or wearing often skirts, shirts,etc may disappear, not attach to right places making it quite frusterating.
3) Prims unless solid non flexible still when placed flush to skin sometimes have skin and body movement through clothing.
Although lace toga flower shirt, I put matching undershirt under and noticed very little fabric, body merging like with flexibles
4) Flexible pants are nightmare, especially the underware.
There nothing decent about underware or pants that fly around in the wind.
It incredibly hard to have corrent attachments that stay put.
It incredibly hard to make the avatars behind area look realistic or flush to skin
5) Texture certain types of twisted prims is very hard to do and make them look right.


Not ready give up though its been fun experiment.
Still trying to resolve chest issue when it comes to child avatars.
By the way Rainwater, I tried to have the friend I was help try the measurements with chest settings but she still complained it wasn't flat enough,
My child avatar chest is very flat not distorted like the baby chest I had bought.
Not sure what to do to help this person have the look she wants.
Thanks Rainwater and all.
Not sure why you can't post except that aol only wants aol uses to be able to post in blogs.

Rainwater I like that, don't change it, 'kay?

About the prim pants, etc: if you have a look at most prim skirts, the "butt" part is usually a pair of *textured* pants (no prims). Get a few free skirts at the free Dove, you'll see what I mean.

So I suspect the way to go, if you want to create prim trousers, is to mix prims with standard mesh clothes.

I've seen some flared pants that were, for the main part, a standard pair of mesh pants, with a prim attachment around the ankle to make the flare. I read about that in Linden Lifestyles, I think, and have seen some in-world (but can't remember where).

The same method is used sometimes for sleeves, for collars, for ruffles... you name it. A careful blend of normal clothes with prim details.

Also if you want to avoid your pants flying up to your ears: gravity is your friend. Crank that up to 10.

Sorry Raindrop, been feeling very confusing for some reason I keep in my confused, packet loss, brainlag my want to refer to you as Rainwater.
I have done some expertiments using clothing with prims.
I think I showed you few snap shots but when it comes to children the issue is the boob thing.
I thought I had it resolved but my friend still saw boobs. LOL
One of the things I don't like about template options in clothing is you get bell bottoms, not other type of cut of pants.
Jackets have issues too.
If you want certain style or cut of jacket, or certain length there is limitations too.
Yet prim garments are very tricky in regards to this.
I tried to make cod peice that could be worn over denim or leather pants that had ornmentation, adjust and making something that didn't wopple like male bits worn out of clothing was incredibly frusterating.
G string prims are really hard too.
One of things also is when with male body especially private parts the groin is in wrong place.