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PLEASE HELP ME!!! photoshop advice????

Elyse Gaspara
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03-14-2007 11:40
i am tryin to figure out what to download and where from, to get adobe photoshop
which is the best program?
do i have other options?
do i have to join an upload service?
who has downloaded photoshop and succesfully used?
please give me any advice u can on this...
thanks Elyse.
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03-14-2007 12:08
There is no legal way to download Photoshop. If you want it, buy it from an online retailer or visit a store that sells it. If you're trying to get some good software that's available for free (without breaking any laws) try GIMP. It's a bit less user friendly but has all the capabilities you'll need for SL. You can find it here.
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Elyse Gaspara
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Uhhh
03-14-2007 12:18
I HAVE CHECKED OUT gimp AND I DONT EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO EVEN DOWNLOAD IT

sorry capitals unintentional
anyway
i cant even read that page let alone figure out what i am supposed to download off it


i am lmao
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03-14-2007 12:32
On the download page, under "binaries for various platforms," download the one for your operating system. That will be the installer. If you look in the "books" section you'll also find a couple of books for learning how to use it. Photoshop and GIMP are both fairly complex applications, so be prepared to invest a lot of time in learning. It can be very frustrating in the beginning. It's like learning to play guitar. You want to be able to just jump in and start playing songs, but you can't until you learn all the chords and fingerings. It's very much worth the effort though. :)
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03-14-2007 19:53
From: Chip Midnight
There is no legal way to download Photoshop.

Actually, there is. If you go to the products section of adobe.com, and then click on Photoshop, you'll see an option on the right hand side of the screen to purchase it online. From there, follow the prompts, and you'll come to a page to select your delivery method. The default option is download.
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03-14-2007 20:53
From: Chip Midnight
There is no legal way to download Photoshop. If you want it, buy it from an online retailer or visit a store that sells it. If you're trying to get some good software that's available for free (without breaking any laws) try GIMP. It's a bit less user friendly but has all the capabilities you'll need for SL. You can find it here.

Chip, there is. On abode's website with a CC you can pay full price for the software and get it as a http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/
left side: button says: Buy online below it a sales with a 800 number.
I honestly wish people would quit pointing people to Gimp*tard. You get what you pay for.
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Erin Talamasca
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03-15-2007 04:40
You do, but I think it's a fair assumption that a lot of people who decide they want to try clothes-making for SL will have little other use for the software, possibly not the patience to learn how to use it fully and get their money's worth. Course that's not always the case, but it's safer to assume it is than suggest spending a lot of money for something that might not be used.

I wouldn't recommend high-end graphics software to anyone unless they were already really into their computer graphics, or artistically inclined and keen to learn the software for its own sake. I'm not judging the OPs intentions or why they want PS, but it's generally a good idea to point people to the free stuff - it might be crap in comparison, but it does what you need when you're starting out, and if you find you don't enjoy it, can't/don't want to learn it, or whatever, you haven't lost anything. If you have reason then to want a better application, you're making a more informed choice, as opposed to forking out big bucks because you hear the word 'photoshop' banded about and think that's the key to making money in SL.
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03-15-2007 04:41
Hmm, sorry, that could have been shorter. You get what you pay for, but it's not always worth paying for it!
Rock Ryder
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03-15-2007 04:59
From: Erin Talamasca
Hmm, sorry, that could have been shorter. You get what you pay for, but it's not always worth paying for it!


I ordered Photoshop today, from www.amazon.co.uk

The standard price was £430, but it was also available from one reseller at £80!!!!
Check it out!!!

Rock
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03-15-2007 05:17
From: Chip Midnight
On the download page, under "binaries for various platforms," download the one for your operating system. That will be the installer. If you look in the "books" section you'll also find a couple of books for learning how to use it. Photoshop and GIMP are both fairly complex applications, so be prepared to invest a lot of time in learning. It can be very frustrating in the beginning. It's like learning to play guitar. You want to be able to just jump in and start playing songs, but you can't until you learn all the chords and fingerings. It's very much worth the effort though. :)



SO true! The months I spent tearing my hair out wanting to know how to do ABC and feeling lost. It wasnt until oh erm 6 mths ago when at NAPP forum some-one said to me how you will never know ALL of PS its too big and always updating
There are so many options even now I dont use...actions for example..nvr used them and as such because I havent used them I dont miss them

What I do know is at some point the tutorials I read started to make sense...I knew what they meant when they directed me to a certain tool...I can read a tut in a magazine and in my minds eye can see exactly how it would work out as If I was doing it.

At first I tried tutorials and it was all another language...

Something I would suggest and is an inexpsnsive learning tool called A.S.A.P ( As Simple As Photoshop) its a video/text/voice software you download to your PC and it goes through each and every tool in bite sized tuts with video that you can stop and start at will. Or you can just follow the text tutorial with still images. All the materials for each tut is inc and its only $19.99

Gimp I dont have a clue. I stick to one program only. I wouldnt suggest trying different applications at the same time until your very confident with one then exp with others. I have lots and lots of stand alone programs and high end plugins for PS that I have barely scratched the surface off.

My problem is like many ppl I dont liek reading *yawn* I much prefer hands on learning but at the same time I wish I would take the time out to do more tutorials and reading...for they DO teach you things maybe you have been missing all his time.

:)
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03-15-2007 05:22
From: Erin Talamasca
You do, but I think it's a fair assumption that a lot of people who decide they want to try clothes-making for SL will have little other use for the software, possibly not the patience to learn how to use it fully and get their money's worth. Course that's not always the case, but it's safer to assume it is than suggest spending a lot of money for something that might not be used.

I wouldn't recommend high-end graphics software to anyone unless they were already really into their computer graphics, or artistically inclined and keen to learn the software for its own sake. I'm not judging the OPs intentions or why they want PS, but it's generally a good idea to point people to the free stuff - it might be crap in comparison, but it does what you need when you're starting out, and if you find you don't enjoy it, can't/don't want to learn it, or whatever, you haven't lost anything. If you have reason then to want a better application, you're making a more informed choice, as opposed to forking out big bucks because you hear the word 'photoshop' banded about and think that's the key to making money in SL.


I think thats very true and sound advise

Almost EVERYONE wants to make clothes when joining SL ( most females) but then when they realise its harder than they assumed or it takes months to learn the tool they give up and better to have' learnt and lost nothing than lost and learnt nothing '

( hey! thats pretty good how I played on those words lol ) *pats own head*
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03-15-2007 08:49
I stand corrected :) For software as expensive as Photoshop I wouldn't recommend buying it as a download though. I'd get the boxed product.
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03-15-2007 09:06
From: Rock Ryder
I ordered Photoshop today, from www.amazon.co.uk

The standard price was £430, but it was also available from one reseller at £80!!!!
Check it out!!!

Rock

Careful, Rock. There are a lot of Photoshop scams out there. Generally, whenever you see those "too good to be true" prices floating around for PS, that's because you're not getting what's promised.

Are you sure it's the real Photoshop, not Photoshop elements? There's a huge difference.

Are you sure it's the actual software, not just a box or a manual?

Is it the education version, in which case it would be illegal for you to use it unless you're a student?

Is it an older version?

Is it a cracked copy?


I'd put my money on the cracked copy bet, but I've seen all of the above advertised as "Photoshop". I don't think I've ever shopped through Amazon, so I don't know what sort of buyer protection they might offer, but if they have any insurance at all, I'd highly recommend you get it for this.
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03-15-2007 09:27
Try freeware like GIMP first. If you are satisfied with it, you don't need to go looking for other software.

I use Photoshop CS. I didn't buy it to use with Second Life, but I have a lot of other uses for it. For Second Life uses, I don't find myself using a lot of the special bells and whistles of Photoshop.

So if all you want out of a graphic program is to create textures for Second Life, try freeware before throwing down a lot of money on Photoshop or another commerical program.
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03-15-2007 11:37
I've fallen in love with paint.net
It still lacks some of the high end features but there are a good number of plugins written for it that help fill in the gaps. Oh and its free (and open source to boot). If you download it be sure to look in the plugins forum. And if you aren't scared by C# you can write your own plugins with codelab.

http://www.getpaint.net/index2.html
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03-15-2007 20:47
yes paint does seem to work well i know a lot of people who swear by it and I have seen some awesome stuff made with it as well. I hate gimp i find it user unfriendly big time and it doesn't seem to help much with anything the only thing I ever used it for was file conversion. I have however fallen in love with photoshop hehe I spent all night last night playing with brushes. I"M uh wasting a ton of time just playing (well its not wasting really cause its fun but when i look at the clock and see 5 a.m. i know that i'm playing wayy to much hehe)

anyhow there is no legal free download version of adobe there is a 30 day trial download though if you want to see how it works, but its not complete though.

Try paint instead its free and I think it does a good job from what I have seen produced (awesome anime drawings etc..) people say they spend hours just playing with the brushes (reminds me of my night long photoshop brush playing session hehe)

Next time I sit down I'm gonna actualy make SOMETHING .. just cause well I better get cracking...
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03-17-2007 03:31
My problem with gimp and blender and such stems from my working with computers on a daily basis. Its somewhat like a car. There are standard things that you expect with every car. Where the steering wheel is, gas and break, dashboard, engine etc.
Gimp is like driving from the backseat in reverse. It was built for Linux because neither abode or corel 0r Jasc would port over. And so the designer decided that there was no need for a container, 'I will just have 50 windows render'. Thats a Fu&%*tard thing to do because each window creates load in windows. It consumes resources ands to your processes list. Good for linux which is ran mostly on command line (yes I know about its gui but the strenght of Linux is its non standardness). On windows it is crap. Yes, if you learn how to work with it, it works. I can say the same thing for every program.
But did you ever stop and wonder why Photoshop is industry standard and why it has a container?
So if you are on Linux, yes go get Gimp, it will work for you. In windows, shell out 100 bucks if you are serious use PSP or Infranview, or Paint.net or something. Personally, I would rather buy you PSP or CS2 than you use gimp because it is free because it is that bad on windows and it sends the message that crappy non standard programming is acceptable and desired when in reality it is the equivalent to guy who uses a quarter roll of toliet paper and then doesnt flush because he backed it up. It is that bad.
My opinion of Blender is the same. You can say how wonder it is but non standard interfaces are worthless because I dont have time to figure out what you were smoking when you designed it.
Just because its free doesnt mean its good. usually with a few exceptions it means its crap and bad crap. Infranview is one of the few, there are others. Gimp is not one of them.
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03-17-2007 07:23
The old addage that you get what you pay for is definitely true in this case, but it's great that there are some capable (if not exactly user friendly) free tools available for people who want to test the waters before shelling out a lot of money for something they may find they don't enjoy.
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