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Why does my textures size change?

Syn Sassoon
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01-24-2006 01:24
If I have lets say a flower on the top..and I get it matched up with a flower on the skirt.. in sl the flower on the skirt ends up being twice as big..do i need to go smaller res or is this just sl?
Chosen Few
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01-24-2006 01:56
Hi Syn. It's all about how the templates stretch as they wrap around the avatar in 3D space. To see exactly what's happening, upload the templates (with the UV lines showing) as textures and wear them on your avatar as clothing. You'll see pretty quickly that some sections of the skirt template stretch pretty far compared to most sections of the upper body template.

So, the answer to your question is that to have the 2 flowers come out the same size on your avatar, they're going to have to be different sizes on the templates. Here's something you might want to try. While wearing the templates, attach a couple of cubes to your avatar. Position the cubes and size them according to where and what size you want the flowers to be. This will allow you to see exactly where and what size the flowers should be in relation to the templates. Now take a screenshot of yourself. Open the screenshot in Photoshop, cut & paste the upper body area and the skirt area onto their respective templates, and resize them so their lines approximately match up with the lines on the templates. Now just size your flowers to the cubes, and you should be all set.
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Syn Sassoon
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01-24-2006 14:07
Thanks Chosen that helps :)
Rhynalae Eldrich
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02-23-2006 21:13
From: Chosen Few
Hi Syn. It's all about how the templates stretch as they wrap around the avatar in 3D space. To see exactly what's happening, upload the templates (with the UV lines showing) as textures and wear them on your avatar as clothing. You'll see pretty quickly that some sections of the skirt template stretch pretty far compared to most sections of the upper body template.

So, the answer to your question is that to have the 2 flowers come out the same size on your avatar, they're going to have to be different sizes on the templates. Here's something you might want to try. While wearing the templates, attach a couple of cubes to your avatar. Position the cubes and size them according to where and what size you want the flowers to be. This will allow you to see exactly where and what size the flowers should be in relation to the templates. Now take a screenshot of yourself. Open the screenshot in Photoshop, cut & paste the upper body area and the skirt area onto their respective templates, and resize them so their lines approximately match up with the lines on the templates. Now just size your flowers to the cubes, and you should be all set.


Ughh. I tried this tonight with a small floral print, before I found your comments. I did no sizing ahead of time, I merely uploaded a flat untrimmed texture (i.e., just a square block, nothing cut out) just to test.

The print worked beautifully on the shirt without any modification.

However, on the skirt, the pattern is noticeably larger than it appeared on the shirt, and in the front (and back) of the skirt there is a large triangle of material (big end at the base of the skirt) where the pattern is stretched out to high heaven horizontally. It looks just awful.

Your advice seems great if there is just one or two items that are easy to resize, but I have a whole complex print running here. I'm a little overwhelmed at the thought of trying to resize based on trial and error, unless I know I'm going about this the right way...

Is this the right strategy to use for this problem? Thanks for any reassurance...
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02-23-2006 23:19
From: Rhynalae Eldrich
Ughh. I tried this tonight with a small floral print, before I found your comments. I did no sizing ahead of time, I merely uploaded a flat untrimmed texture (i.e., just a square block, nothing cut out) just to test.

The print worked beautifully on the shirt without any modification.

However, on the skirt, the pattern is noticeably larger than it appeared on the shirt, and in the front (and back) of the skirt there is a large triangle of material (big end at the base of the skirt) where the pattern is stretched out to high heaven horizontally. It looks just awful.

Your advice seems great if there is just one or two items that are easy to resize, but I have a whole complex print running here. I'm a little overwhelmed at the thought of trying to resize based on trial and error, unless I know I'm going about this the right way...

Is this the right strategy to use for this problem? Thanks for any reassurance...
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I've been doing clothing for 2 months and the best I can come up with is trial and error and to get as close to possible. I'm sure there are better ways though.
Reitsuki Kojima
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02-24-2006 03:46
From: mcgeeb Gupte
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I've been doing clothing for 2 months and the best I can come up with is trial and error and to get as close to possible. I'm sure there are better ways though.


I haven't done a ton of clothing, mostly just stuff for my own use, but I've found you pretty much get a feel for the scale pretty quickly.

More confusing to me is mapping around the shoulders, but that's another story.
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Rhynalae Eldrich
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02-24-2006 05:44
From: mcgeeb Gupte
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I've been doing clothing for 2 months and the best I can come up with is trial and error and to get as close to possible. I'm sure there are better ways though.


The overall sizing seems to be trial and error (that seems fixable), but I'm most concerned about that odd "triangle" section where the design is very distorted.

I didn't notice anything on the template that would explain why this particular flat area is so distorted compared to the normal print, especially considering a shirt has many more curves to it but my design layered down fine, with no similar distortion area.

I even tried fiddling with body shape and skirt shape, but had no luck in eradicating this triangular area that takes up much of the front of the skirt (as well as a smaller area of the back). Any ideas why this is happening? Maybe if I understood where the problem was coming from, I could figure out how to deal with it easier.
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02-24-2006 06:12
It isn't so much a "bug" as just how skirts are stretched. I was helping someone make a skirt and we finally just decided that the hip/thigh area was relatively safe, but that the lower portions of the skirt are stretched so much and so differently depending on posture, walking, sitting, etc. that it was really just best to avoid repeating patterns on the lower portion of the skirt. Folds and pleats in that "danger" zone don't appear nearly as bad as - for example - plaids.

I suggest that you go "window" shopping" and see how major clothiers typically work around this indeterminate stretch area.