Design Flaw.

Ok I have to be a bit ranty right now.. and since the general forum is off limits.. and this has to do with design of items.. I figured this would be th place to put it. Is it just me.. or is the no transfer of items purchased getting extremely annoying? Just this evening I purchased an outfit with the intent to give it as a surprise gift to a friend.. and when I first looked I did not notice that 2 of the items out of the 10 in the folder were no transfer. I then went to another shop.. and purchased a set of 4 pairs of pants for the same friend.. and they are no transfer as well.

What happened to the days when things were transferable? I understand the need to make money .. and by making things no transfer it makes business more lucritive for each individual.. but for goodness sakes.. do I have to IM each person who makes clothes just to get a set of items I can give as a gift? Nothing is a bigger lame situation than taking someone to a store and telling them what to get.. because you thought you would like it.. and not being able to surprise them.

Am I the only consumer here who is getting frustrated with this problem? Can we please get past this whole entire "make everything no transfer" ? I have wasted over 3k linden on items that I cannot give as a gift.. and being a male avatar will never wear. Am I stupid for not realizing they are no transfer? yes I am. However.. a year ago.. there was rarely any no transfer clothing. Today it seems everything has become as such. So much for shopping for others.

No, you're not the only one. I am furstrated by it too. People seem to be using no transfer for items that should be no copy instead.

Example.. I buy an outfit.. it's the uniform for a group. that uniform costs $4000L (about)... Now, if I create an alt account... and I want to dedicate that account to this group, I have to buy an entirely new uniform. No copy would make this so much easier.. having only ONE uniform, I could pass it to my alt.

No trans is good for items like AO's and animations.. where you want to be able to put them in multiple outfit folders or something like that. It allows the customer to have multiples of the item, but not to repackage it and undersell the original creator.

What I fiind inexplicable, however, is NO MOD / NO COPY / NO TRANSFER

I mean.. really.. what is the point of that? You may have one car, you may not alter it, and only you may own it? Can't even sell it off later to a friend?

I would as well since I don't know of any way to make an item have those permissions. When you check the box to allow copy, the transfer checkbox becomes active and you can uncheck it if you like, but if you uncheck the copy box, the transfer becomes checked and greyed out. So there are several ways one could set item permissions, but that's not one of them.

If there is a way to do this, and I am mistaken, feel free to enlighten me. I love to learn new stuff. (not that I see a point in doing it, just in knowing how to do it)

Permissions only show No Mod, No Copy, No Transfer when there are multiple items packaged together (i.e. a No Mod, No Copy clothing/prim item packaged in a No Mod, No Copy prim box with a No Mod, No Transfer prim or script inside it). Even then, the individual items still maintain thier original permissions. They just look like they're completely locked because the host item (the box) shows a mix of all permissions settings on items inside it.

Some instances don't change the permissions of the host item (i.e. a No Mod, No Copy Texture embedded inside a No Transfer skin).

All you need is a few animations with mixed permissions to completely lock up the object.

This is particularly easy to do with animations in an AO. Suddenly the AO locks up. you can still mod it, but you can't hand it to someone, and you can't copy it.

If you really wanna screw up your day, toss a "no Modify" script into it (try good old anti-idle "control", and you won't even be able to rename the object anymore.

Ah, I see. Cool, thanks for the info .

Whenever you see an outfit you want to give as a gift, contact the maker of the item! They may well have the item available through SL Exchange or SL Boutique, where you can purchase the item and specify it is to be delivered to someone else. If not, most are happy to sell you a no-copy / transfer OK version that you can freely give as a gift.

Most clothing makers, especially those who sell higher-end things, find that people want to be able to copy the outfit for use in multiple ensembles. To allow that, the item must be +copy/NO Transfer, or else the buyer could make infinite copies and start selling them themselves!

This is one of the reasons that we have gift cards available. Sure you still ahve to drag your friend to our shop, and they have to pick it out, but you can pay for the card and transfer that to the person.

Well, given that I like to create folders with pieces of clothing that are with particular eyes or hair or even shoes, I set the permissions with this in mind, so, yes, my things are no transfer. They are, however modifiable and copyable, since people will want to tweak the prim skirts to fit their figure and well, accidents happen regarding that. I know, I've broken a few things in my time. I felt it was better to allow them to copy and mod, so that if they break the one they are working on, they can pull a new one from the box. Less hassle all around.

Also, I have stores on both SL Exchange and SL Boutique, for those who wish to buy things for others or just like to shop when they can't be in game. That actually was one of the main things that drew me to them.

Regarding gifts, the way I handle that on my jetpacks, is just to have the gifter email me. They pay me for it, and I transfer the object to their friend. Seems to work fairly well, but it does call for some level of trust. I like the gift certificate idea though.

How do you check for forged gift certificates that have passed between accounts? What are your safegaurds?

My items are copy/no trans. Why? One of the main reasons is: I don't have much experience in designing clothes... yet. I'm learning. I'm going to update some of my first clothes very soon, and in order to do that, I need to know who owns them.

Also, I love combining outfits from the same or from different designers. For this reason, trans/no copy items are a pain to me, especially when I end up losing stuff! I can understand why some prefer this option (being able to give away or resell an old outfit is nice), but I don't.

PS: I'd also like to know more about gift cards.

I try to keep items transfer where possible. I only sell the clothes with modifiable prims as copy/no trans because its easy to mess up the prims when sizing, especially if not standing on a posing stand.
About the gift cards.. I dont sell them myself but i too was curious so i asked a friend. I was told the gift card is not sold as a notecard because, as was mentioned here, they can be forged. Theyre sold as an image with transfer permission only. To claim the gift the holder of the image hands the store owner the image and they can see its genuine because it has their name as creator.

Example 1...
I sell some Cars. I make them Copy + Mod, No Trans.

1. MOD: I want people to be able to Mod them.

2. COPY: I would hate myself to have something, Mod it and mess it up and not have a backup copy, so I make my stuff Copy.

3: TRANS: I don't want people selling them for less or giving them away for free. So if I did make the Trans, I would not be able to make them Copy (and back to point 1 + 2).


Example 2...
I sell some xmas decorations, Copy + Mod, No Trans.

1. MOD: No real reason, guess you might want to make them bigger or smaller or color them.

2. COPY: Maybe you want to decorate your house with more than one Wreath (like front door and back door). I wouldn't make people pay twice for the same item (though obviously this is how it would work in RL).

3: TRANS: I don't want people selling them for less or giving them away for free. So if I did make the Trans, I would not be able to make them Copy (and back to point 2).


Example ...
I 'used' to sell some t-shirts Copy + Mod, No Trans.

1. MOD: No reason here, unless you wanted to color them.

2. COPY: I always like my clothes copy. I have different outfits in folders, as complete outfits, so to get changed I just drag the complete folder. I don't want to work my way through a few different folders just to put together an outfit I might wear regularly.

3: TRANS: I don't want people selling them for less or giving them away for free. So if I did make the Trans, I would not be able to make them Copy (and back to point 2).



I think as a designer and builder, anything thats MOD has to be COPY, just to allow you to have a backup. Anything thats COPY really can't be TRANS, that would be suicide. Though I do see that clothes maybe should be TRANS but no MOD or COPY.

There are undesireable people out there who take advantage of the TRANS side and re-sell objects. I guess if they're not COPY, then they can only sell them once. It can also be said that if something is MOD, then they can just deconstruct it anyway and build thier own from individual prims.


Bottom line is I personally like to have Copies and be able to Modify stuff. You can buy gifts on SLX and SLB or IM and I would either deliver something, or make a NO COPY, TRANS YES to give away.


just my 2c, but drifted a bit towards the end.

I have a copy of pretty much everything I've made on SLBoutique - it allows people to purchase an item as a gift. Since all my avvies are notransfer (including freebies to keep them safe from moralless freebie-resellers) this works very nicely.

The Gift Cards Jakkal was talking about is a system I made for use in my vendors. They aren't notecards or pictures, as both would require the owner to be present to redeem them.

My gift cards are a scripted item that can be bought either preset or empty, and added to as needed (they don't have a limit). The cards can then be given to anyone since they are nocopy/trans. The new person can then goto any vendor of the same owner to redeem the card for that item. Gift cards sold by one person can't be used in someone else's vendors, just like you can't use a McDonalds gift card in Burger King. The card must have enough in it for the item, can't use it for part and pay the rest, but the new person can add more to the card if needed.

The cards only work in vendors I sell, and only if the owner enables using them, so the store owner can choose if they only want some items bought with gift cards or everything.

The gift cards and vendors are for sale in world at Drifting Thoughts main store: Fiddlers Green(152,164,35), and on SL Exchange. IM me in world if you have any questions.