Permissions Bug?

I made a prim hat <not perfected yet, but... it's my first>, so for practice I decided to set the permissions. I wanted the person to be able to modify the hat (since all the hairs are so different), but not to copy or resell. The problem is... when I first open the page, the default has the settings at: No Modify, No Copy, and the Resell box is checked and grayed out. I click on Modify (ok, fine), but I still can't click to remove the checkmark from the resell box. If I click on Copy, then the dot for Resell becomes light and I am able to uncheck it. However, the minute I unmark Copy, the Resell goes gray again, WITH a checkmark in it, and I can't change it. So.... the options are Modify either off or on, but if Copy is allowed, then can have No Transfer... if Copy is NOT allowed, then the new owner can Resell. Why am I not allowed to make an item and have it No Copy AND No Transfer?

Apparently this is only on new prims.
Thanks,
Stitcher

I was with Stitcher today when she was trying to figure this out. I was able to change the settings on some textures, as well as an older object in my inventory. However, when I rezzed a box and tried to set the prems to mod, no transfer, I had the same problem. Has anyone else seen this?

Jen

This is the standard setting, and has been for some time.

LL has decided in it's fair use system that an object must be copiable or transferable, so you must have either transfer or copy enabled. It defaults to transfer enabled.

There are ways around the issue, but whilst I applaud you wanting to make your hats modable, why do you want them no copy AND no transfer. Copy, no transfer would let them make one hat per outfit, with different colours, sizes etc. easily. Transfer, no copy (my personal preference, but it is just a personal one) lets me buy it and give it away to a friend without keeping a copy for myself (or I have to buy two). Either way you make sure people buy one each (well as much as you can in the current climate).

And copy / mod would allow users to make a backup copy of the hat before modifying it, helping cut down on customer support. Besides, it's not like they can wear more than one hat at a time, so I don't see what the OP would lose by making the hat copy / no transfer.

The main reason I would want a hat modifiable would be so that they can fix a hat to fit their head... so many different sizes of heads/hair.... one hat would fit differently on each head.

When I initially made this post, I used the hat for example. I would also like to have an art shop.... to sell pictures that are exclusively done by me (IOW - not something I found on the internet and put in a shop for sale, but exclusively my own photos, my own Bryce creations). This is something I would not want copied. I wouldn't have a problem if someone wanted to buy it and give it as a gift to someone.... I'm not so sure I'd be happy about them reselling it for a higher cost than what I sell it for. Yet, I would want them to be able to resize the picture in order to make it fit properly in the room where they want it. I hope I'm making sense here.

I understand resell, but if I sell a picture for 50$, and someone else buys it and turns around and sells it for 100$..... my morals tell me this isn't right. So, I guess I'll have to let them copy it, and if they want, then they can deco their entire home with my pictures <g>.

I'm still learning here.

why do you care if someone resells it for 100?
you still got the 50 you asked for.
you get everything you wanted.
if you wanted 100, you should have asked for 100.

I get everything I wanted? <what did I get?>
What do I care if someone makes extra money from my work? <principals, scruples, morals> I care... if I could whip up things in a matter of minutes, I probably wouldn't care, but when you put your heart and soul into creating.... I don't know, maybe you don't understand this.

Let me answer those questions by asking you a question. Do you design/create/build anything?

Let me also ask you to read the original post - do you see the part about me being fairly new? How does one ever learn if they don't ask questions? I've had many people tell me to make the items No Copy, No Resell.... yet it couldn't be done, and they were telling me it could. So, if I wish to learn anything, I must ask... and that I did.

Sadly there is no control you have over the resale price if you allow transfer. There have been requests that such a system be instituted, and if you really want to know why I can tell you, but it used to get to be a very heated discussion very quickly. The system is not yet there, however good or bad an idea it is.

Most artwork, in the sense of paintings/pictures are sold no copy, yes transfer, statues tend to be copy, no transfer.

Making artwork both is actually hard - most people that manage it have scripted items that require a script to be always present for genuine functionality. Make the object NT, the script NC (or vice versa) and the overall perms are mod, no copy, no transfer. Why, if I've bought a picture from you do I need to keep a script in it that makes it the second thing?

I know nothing about scripting, and right now I know little about much of anything else. I won't ask for any reason why it's the way it is, cause I don't need any heated discussions.. lol I deal with enough stress as it is. For the time, I'm still learning so much. Maybe some other day... way down the road.... I might ask why. For now, I'll let it go.

Thanks to all who have posted.... <bows>

Hi Stitcher,

You might want to think twice before selling your artwork in world, especially if you are planning to sell it in the Real World too, just as you would before posting your images on the web.

Images posted in either place show up on the client - the computer that the person looking at them is using. Anything that shows up on the client can be copied.

Right now, there is a huge furor in-world because of this; but it's nothing new. Anything that is published electronically is vulnerable to copying, and always has been.

Personally, I've had to ask people to remove things that they have in-world, having downloaded them from my website, more than once. The majority of those people have never even heard of Robin Sojourner, and just assume that anything on the web is free for the taking.

A few did know about both my in-world and RL persona, and still thought that the fact that I'd posted on a website meant that I didn't mind if they took it, and sold it in-world.

I'd have removed all my paintings by now (they are the only thing that I sell in both worlds,) but there are already so many of them out there that it's like closing the barn door after the cows are in the next county. I might still do it, though.

I definitely wish that I'd never brought them in world to sell, but I was only a week old at the time. There will never be any more in world, though, because i have learned.

As far as your paintings being sold for more than you asked for them; this would differ from the real world in what way?

People have been known to buy my original paintings in the Real World specifically to resell them for more than they paid. As Adz said, it's no skin off my nose. I got what I asked, and it's how the Art World operates! Think of how much paintings go for at the big auction houses. Do you think the original artist got that much?

Remember that not all the original artists are dead. Erte lived to be 98, and not only saw his work going for many times what he was paid, he saw it pass into Public Domain, and watched as other people made tons of money off it without giving him a dime! (The laws have been changed since then, of course, partly because of him, and partly because of Mickey Mouse.)

So, yeah. People will resell for whatever the market will bear. That's the way of both worlds. (And if you want people to be able to buy no-transfer items as gifts for others, there are several vending systems that allow that.)

Anyway, I just thought you might want to profit from my mistake.

Hope this helps!