Day 1 How is the griefing situation now?

Important: This is a focused and limited-time poll. Only Landowners who prior to the recent update had frequent griefing incidents should answer.

The question is: Now going through Day 1 with the anti-push land setting, compared with your experience prior to the update, has the situation improved or not?

Please answer based on actual observations and not projections.

If you wish to indicate degrees or some addtional observations, post a reply

EDIT aaaaargh misspelling in the title.

Yeah, WAY better. I am safe. My kids are safe.

Thumbs WAY up to LL.

It's only one day. Making a judgment now would be no better than the Linden who claimed, a week after 6/6, that opening registration had not increased the amount of griefing. Interestingly enough, shortly after that they took away the auto-report AR feature to cut down on the amount of ARs since the Lindens were so overloaded.

So I voted "can't evaluate" yet. Give us a weekend at least, when more people are hanging around and we'll know more.

Don't understand how it is not obviously better.

Griefers can't grief if push is off.

And no, there are no WMD's in Iraq.

There are plenty of ways to grief without using push.

(There is a WMD in Iraq. It's called religious fanaticism. )

Griefing is a behavior, not a software feature.

I grief people with real L$1 coins (they give you L$1 and disappear when you click them).

No change... Haven't been subject to a griefing attack in 6 or more months. Well, except for that time that Philip and Aimee wandered drunkenly into my skybox and vomitted over my sexballs....

There's a picture like that on rotten.com

1 free griefing coming up.

And wouldn't that prove that it's not the froobies causing the problem?

I don't think froobies are part of the question here.

Well, they aren't for me... but all the other polls on griefing (well posts on griefing even) have blamed them, so it is kind of important in the context.

Oh I know. Call this poll "snapshot #1." I really did expect a lot not to be able to evaluate. I made the poll lifespan short to get a really tight snapshot.

My purpose was to see how many do encounter immediate changes. Maybe a week from now a second poll will run so we can see how things progressed.

But I will say this ... the results as they stand right now look promising!

Too early to comment yet. We had instituted a special new security scripting process just prior to the rollout, so the effect may be a combined one. Will advised once I have better data to work with.

Frankly I don't think this new feature will matter much to me personally. I have never really had a problem with griefing on my land.

However, I can see how it would be a really nice thing for club owners. All in all I think it was a good thing to add.

Waaaaayyy too early to evaluate the thing.

I wonder how long it will take for the griefers to adapt. No, on second thought, I don't care. I'm sure it's bound to entertain me when it happens.

If it means anything, we banned 3 more people last night even with push turned off. One was running around waving a huge floppy penis in people's faces and another had been disruptive enough to create lots of complaints from members.

Like I said, you don't have to use push scripts to be a griefer.

Could you look around for my pants, and Philips codpiece? That night was a blur for us.

I'm pretty sure I saw them both for sale on e-bay.

We can't measure how effective it is, because :
* griefing naturally fluctuates over time
* griefing isn't evenly distributed, it moves around different locations depending on their level of security, over time
* griefing may decrease as griefing with straightforward push guns is stopped
* griefing may decrease due to the psychological effect of this
* griefing may increase as griefers move to less easy to stop, and more destructive, weapons
* griefing may increase as griefers start communicating with one another about griefing methods in an attempt to decide what to do after the push restrictions... in other words, this targetted code change may trigger them to unite in bigger groups and big groups of griefers are far more dangerous than individual ones.

Really, to measure how effective it is, we'd have to look at the statistics of ARs. Even those are inaccurate, as they have a general downward trend at the moment due to the sheer number of people simply giving up hope on LL, and taking matters into their own hands by using guns, bans and scripts instead of filing ARs.

So, basically, it's hard for us to know and also hard for LL to know how effective this really is.

I guess all LL can do is give us better security tools (bans by group, longer ban lists for estates, ban sharing, the ability to ban all of a given account's alts, etc)... and hope for the best. Not very inspiring... but at least it gives Residents the tools to protect themselves as much as they deem necessary.

The danger is that LL decide that since AR reporting trends indicate one thing, that thing must be the case. In fact I'd bet that the statistics on ARs are quite badly out - they decline more and more the less public confidence there is in LL's ability to fix problems. After the recent very serious bugs, the removal of CC requirement for registration, and the crashing of various sims lately and so on.... public confidence in LL is probably historically quite low right now, which means they will see a relatively low number of ARs no matter what happens in world.
Really, what they should do, IMHO, is consider simply giving residents more powerful security tools and leaving Residents the power to decide how to handle griefing themselves. That'd be more effective, I think, and fairer, and it would stop residents complaining.

Shhh... I made a bundle off them... I think Pandastrong bought both.