The screenshots of ubrowser
http://www.ubrowser.com
look pretty neat.
Until today I found these screenshots
http://www.flipcode.com/cgi-bin/fcarticles.cgi?show=63517
from 2003.
Callum, can you shed some light on this?
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paulie Femto
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03-17-2006 18:44
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Eggy Lippmann
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03-18-2006 01:47
Yet another FIC conspiracy!
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Adam Zaius
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03-18-2006 02:33
"...and Window Grab textures (any active window, hidden or not is used as a texture)..."
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Damanios Thetan
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03-18-2006 02:43
There's a big difference between an interactive 3d browser (ubrowser) and a system only rendering snapshots.
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03-18-2006 06:59
Its nice to know Callum has years of experience in this area.
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Callum Linden
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03-18-2006 19:24
The screenshots of ubrowser http://www.ubrowser.com look pretty neat. Until today I found these screenshots http://www.flipcode.com/cgi-bin/fcarticles.cgi?show=63517 from 2003. Callum, can you shed some light on this? There isn't much more to tell you really. Mediator, the library was something I in my own time a long while before I landed at LL. As well as support for Windows media formats (using my own custom DirectShow plugin) there was rudimentary QuickTime support and of course Web - the big difference was that the Web support was done via embedded Internet Explorer rather than embedded Mozilla and I never managed to get input working. Support for Real media was in the pipeline before they pulled their COM based SDK. I even made some progress with a MAME plugin for it which would've been fun The only thing I ever released using it was a screensaver product that failed miserably. It needs a lot of work but I am thinking of resurecting it - I recently added support for Flickr images which works quite nicely but there is still quite a lot to do and I don't suppose I'll ever get chance to finish it. Hope that clears up any confusion. |
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paulie Femto
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Thanks!
03-18-2006 19:39
I wasn't tryin to sling mud at ya (sorry if it sounded that way). I was just curious.
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03-18-2006 19:52
I wasn't tryin to sling mud at ya (sorry if it sounded that way). I was just curious. No worries - that what I figured |
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Andrew Linden
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03-18-2006 19:58
Hmmm... MAME on a prim face. Now that would be a little silly but kinda cool.
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03-18-2006 20:11
Hmmm... MAME on a prim face. Now that would be a little silly but kinda cool. Back in the day, it would have made the Mushroom Kingdom that much cooler. Although if, at some point, the SL browser supported Java, there's Java implementations of MAME and of individual arcade games, so... _____________________
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03-18-2006 21:02
Hmmm... MAME on a prim face. Now that would be a little silly but kinda cool. We will totally trade Havok 2 for MAME on a prim face! _____________________
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03-18-2006 22:22
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03-19-2006 03:06
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paulie Femto
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arcade games
03-19-2006 09:53
I dont know if MK is still around, but you can play classic arcade games (JAVA and FLASH based) at my arcade on Cameo Island.
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The next step past the browser...
03-19-2006 10:52
Hey, Linden guys.
You know, it should be possible to render *any* local application window onto a prim face. It's trivial in Linux, easy in Mac OS X, but it should be possible in Windows as well. If you can make that work like the media texture, so that if the client has it enabled you can call llSetApplication("browser", 0); and it'll run whatever command the user has specified as "browser" on face 0 of the prim. Then you could use SL as a window manager. It wouldn't quite be Looking Glass where you could use it for collaboration, since having it transfer the texture over the net from client to client so everyone could see it would be a bit too expensive, but it'd go a long way towards making SL into a useful "cyberspace". |
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paulie Femto
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seconded
03-19-2006 11:06
You know, it should be possible to render *any* local application window onto a prim face. It's trivial in Linux, easy in Mac OS X, but it should be possible in Windows as well. If you can make that work like the media texture, so that if the client has it enabled you can call llSetApplication("browser", 0); and it'll run whatever command the user has specified as "browser" on face 0 of the prim. Then you could use SL as a window manager. wewt wewt! _____________________
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paulie Femto
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oops
03-19-2006 11:09
sorry. accidentally hit the buttton again. heh.
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03-19-2006 12:46
I dont know if MK is still around, but you can play classic arcade games (JAVA and FLASH based) at my arcade on Cameo Island. Yeah, but we aren't playing them in SL; you'vegot a plot with what amounts to glorified hyperlinks, as did the now-sadly-defunct-MK. (I'm not badmouthing the thing itself, just the limitations we have.) Whereas a web-on-a-prim that included interactive content wouldn't "pull you out" of SL quite so much, you see? _____________________
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03-19-2006 13:07
It wouldn't quite be Looking Glass where you could use it for collaboration, since having it transfer the texture over the net from client to client so everyone could see it would be a bit too expensive, but it'd go a long way towards making SL into a useful "cyberspace". VNC over NX works even with low bandwith, most people in SL should have enough bandwith to use that with multiple people. It would only be a few people seeing the same desktop at once anyway. _____________________
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03-19-2006 13:31
VNC over NX works even with low bandwith, most people in SL should have enough bandwith to use that with multiple people. It would only be a few people seeing the same desktop at once anyway. 2. It wouldn't be over NX, it would have to work over SL's reverse-engineered TCP-over-UDP. Direct client-client connections for this are obviously not practical (firewalls, privacy issues, ...). 3. Most of the applications I'm interested in using I don't want to share, I just want to bring them in-world so I'm not idling out when I go back to the desktop to see them, and so they can be presented as part of my in-world environment. |
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03-19-2006 13:39
1. I don't want the whole desktop mapped into second life. That would be no different from running SL in a window - it wouldn't be using SL as the window manager. 2. It wouldn't be over NX, it would have to work over SL's reverse-engineered TCP-over-UDP. Direct client-client connections for this are obviously not practical (firewalls, privacy issues, ...). 3. Most of the applications I'm interested in using I don't want to share, I just want to bring them in-world so I'm not idling out when I go back to the desktop to see them, and so they can be presented as part of my in-world environment. These issues should theoretically be possible to solve _____________________
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