Account sharing?

Does this post here mean that I can't let my sister use one of my alts if she doesn't like using her CC online? And what if she never heard of, nor cares, about paypal?

And who I share my CC or paypal info with is my own personal business isn't it?
What if I put her name on the CC as well as a joint account?
Is that still sharing?
What if it was a business account and I had 10 people on the credit card.
lol
Just curious.

The Lindens might be the place to get a real answer to the question from, but as I read the quoted passage, yes, you can't give your alts to anyone, etc

There used to be a passage saying you can't transfer accounts, then a sentence or two later it said you could if you got written permission from LindenCo.

blaze Spinnaker asked about this repeatedly, but was unable to get the Linden respondants to react in a way that indicated they grasped the contradiction between one sentence in a paragraph and a different sentence at the end of the paragraph.

I happen to have looked for this clause earlier tonight and don't see it. Anybody know who it is?

I'm guessing there is a grey area?
I hate grey rules and laws.
I just don't want to be banned for letting someone use my/our card.
If it comes down to it, I guess I'll just have to tell her she can't use her account anymore.
But wait isn't it her account because she also owns the CC?
She could say the same about my accounts being her accounts.

The gift account idea is nice but its just not the same. To me it reminds me of a ploy for more money. Which drives me away from those things in the first place.
And that isn't really the issue anyway because now I'm more confuesed about joint accounts being used for SL.

See, If I had a joint credit card with her, then she is entitled to all information that has linked to it.
That is how I am told from the the CC company anyway.

So should I break the TOS of my credit card and NOT give her all my passwords that have anything to do with transactions? And SL has everything to do with that because of the intergraded currency.
The same with paypal. They have business accounts that can be used by several people.
It's almost as if they assumed everyone has their own CC and joint accounts don't exist.
But with SL being business oriented, I would assume they would allow business/joint accounts.

All this hurts my head.

It means you agree to sign up and use the account for your own personal use. Not let your sister, wife or kid use your account. BUT I think its also a gray area and a tad bit over the top.

I have extra accounts so me and my rl gal pals were chatting in yahoo one day.
They were not interested in getting their own SL accounts but thought it would be a hoot to all come to my virtual space for coffee and chat. Maybe they would of changed their minds. I guess we will never know now. So much for that idea. Rules are to keep the crooks out but boy it sure screws over the rest of us who are just trying to have a fun time.

Yeah I'm disapointed in this.

Wow that makes the whole thing seem like shooting themselves in the foot.
I guess the lesser of two evils is the idea though.
But there is still a legal issue with her being allowed the info in the first place by the CC's ToS.

If this was a simple matter then I would just tell her she needs her own account at the expense of breaking my heart because she wouldn't do it. But then technically, if it was a joint account, she would have her own. The same one I have.
So she could fight back on the same clause that it is her account. *slaps forhead*

Linden Lab's point is clearly that anyone who has your password can not only log into the Second Life client with that account, but can also access the web page as that account and

change the password
approve tier payments
sell the account's lindens
buy lindens using the registered credit card

If you and your sister share an credit card and an IP, those accounts will all appear to belong to one person to LL. That two people are actually using those accounts is transparent to them. Don't ask, don't tell. But also don't go running to them if your sister shares her password with someone that charges thousands of dollars to your credit card. They have no responsibility in such a case because they've very clearly told you to not operate that way.

I think it's pretty obvious isn't it?

You can sign her up for an account on your CC/paypal .. but *you* can't use the account that you gave her.

Amen to that. And we know your sister isn't going to do that

Very well said

As long as the account is paid for, I don't really see what difference it makes who you allow to use your accounts - apart from a teen going on the adult grid, and vice versa.

After all, if you let your brother/sister log on to your account, they go round causing havoc, you get AR'd and suspended, isn't that your problem, rather than LL's problem? Same with money, items, land, whatever... you decide whether to take that risk or not, and deal with the consequences; if you don't trust the person, don't let them share your account.

A friend on TSO lets me log in one of her accounts whenever I want to, sometimes to help keep her house open, sometimes to give me extra visitor bonus, sometimes as a 4th for Pizza. She has items on her account and money that, on Ebay, could be split and sold for well over $500, not to mention the sim is over 2 years old and could not be replaced by EA. Now I could easily take all of her stuff, sell it and theres nothing she can do about it, nothing EA can do about it, and no proof whatsoever about it. But the friendship means a lot more to me than the money.

Although "not recommended", I don't see that LL has any right to take any action against anyone who admits to sharing an account, as long as they don't break the teen/adult grid difference.

Lewis

I'd hate to be married to someone who felt he had a right to my account because he let me use his credit card to sign up.

I would be shocked if dicplinary action resulted from sharing an account that wasn't also associated with some other drama.

The Lindens want to eliminate the possibility of "it wasn't me at the keyboard" as a defense for poor behavior. They want to prevent protracted disputes over property and money if two people sharing an account have a falling out. And they want to prevent the creation of "public use" accounts (imagine SA having their own group of SL accounts available to any of their members at any time.)

On the other hand, if you walked up to a Linden and said "HI! I'm using my husband's account right now." I would be shocked if they even bat an eyelash. I'm also sure special arrangements or waivers can be made if your particular business project requires general purpose accounts.

waaah ruined my dumb joke

Right before that rule-reminder was posted, there was another "So and so logged into their exes account and took inventory" post, so that's most likely what prompted the reminder.

Don't give your password or access to your account to your true love du jour, your buddies, unofficial officials, or random strangers on the street. If you do, you have no recourse when they decide to log into your account and take everything you own, or do something in your name, because you've broken the TOS by allowing them to do it in the first place.

Yeah I am not worried about her doin anything crazy at all.
Even if I was, there is insurance that can cover a major "accident" like that.
But the legal mumbo under LL's ToS seems too straight forward and simple when they are making an economy which can intergrade right into a reality where things are far more complex.

I see the point everyone brings out here also.
LL has no power over who does what with our personal cards so they are not held responsable.

The sticky part is when they suggest that we can't use our own cards for an account because it would be sharing.

Simply put if two or more people own the CC account, and open an account on SL, then is that sharing or is that not?
In this case I would guess "sharing" would be if we took our accounts and gave them to somebody else who did not own the financial account.

But if we are both on the CC account then who has what right to access what information as far as LL's is concerned?
Because technically speaking, with the way credit works, all of my accounts could be her's and her's mine. If we wanted it that way. Because both of our FICA scores are effected by this card. And we both have our names on it. It would have to be a mutual agreement between us. And LL's has no athority on that end.
Except they could choose not to accept the card. Which would bring up a legal bias situation so I doubt that.

Even so, in reality, if I go and buy a stereo with that same card then I claim it as mine.
She does have the full right to know about it and where it was from though.
Kind of the same thing as a joint bank account. It's all a matter of trust and I understand that.
I just don't know why LL won't allow a person, who is an authorized user of the card, to have her own account. Because on their side that is technically "sharing" becuase they don't say one way or another about it.

On a secondary note:
There is the 5 account limit "per household" that I just remembered.
So if we both had our own place to live and have two addresses on the CC. How would that work if she wanted 5 alts?
Not that it's a problem here, but I'm curious, and for the sake of anyone else who might want to know. I just want to stire the pot a lil and get some answers.
But that probably won't happen until someone makes a direct legal issue out of it.

It doesn't bother me anyway cause I doubt they would try messing with that also like some of you said.
But it could become an issue with someone later so I wonder how that's going to work in their ToS. I would rather have it all worked out before someone gets the bad end of the stick.

Some people even have family credit. Where all family members are on the same card and fully authorized to use it and have full disclosure of its use. I wonder how that works with LL.
I assume LL is about as confused with this stuff as we are? Or never bothered with it? Not that it's a bad thing just so long as we eventually have clear understanding on the matter.

The simple rule of "no account sharing" is far too vague I feel.
But since there is no reply to these matters for clarification on any forum, that I know of, then I assume they are either working that out or not bothering with it at all because nobody in LL's really cares.
If they don't care that much about it then they should stop repeating the ToS on those matters and scaring some people, who don't want to go into legal crap about their virtual assets being destrotyed, because of a vague section of the ToS.

Maybe I should go back to GW and sell my weapons, er I mean my "work", on ebay. Or no, maybe not, we can now get thrown in jail for selling the "time and work" we do.
I'm just happy LL see's around that basic human right.

Stop using my account!

I said "Husband" not "Sizzling Hot Lover!"

Wha...? You've never used my account, Aimee.



P2

hrm my thought on the subject dissapeared but yet the post that personally attacks me still is up sigh...

She said 'Sizzling Hot Lover', not 'Press Agent'

I love the nicely confusing contradicting standards in SL.

You CAN'T share your account with anyone as it might get you in trouble, any noob CAN waltz in and use your sl businessname even if it gets you in trouble.
You CAN'T call a guy in chaps and no underwear a f*g, but any idiot CAN have virtual sex with a child avatar and announce it proudly in his profile.

If you have a business in SL and are serious about it, you need a backup you can trust that can log in for you if anything goes wrong, in rl i have to trust several people with my business, and yes, even with the key of the cashdeck.
On one hand LL tries to sell Second Life as a platform and not a game, attracting developers and contentcreators, but on the other hand they come up with stuff like this?

Don't forget you can also sell your account apparently, but you can't share it.