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lilly Margetts
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Join date: 8 Apr 2006
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08-07-2006 03:29
we(goreans,age play, even furry,etc) seem to be under a "threat" of some people who have no **** clue of what role play is and are mixing it with something like if it was real-its play-NOW,WE ARE IN A MATURE PLATFORM,if there are underage in that play-LL is failing to prevent underage from coming into the main grid,IN A COURT LL wouldnt have much "ways out" of the embarassing situation they put themselves with open registration-PLEASE LL DO SOMETHING STOP WITH THIS
Aodhan McDunnough
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Join date: 29 Mar 2006
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08-07-2006 03:35
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Be prepared for the coming inevitable changes. SL is evolving towards having all residents (kids, teens, and adults) on the main grid. Their transferring the payment status filtering to residents is a strong indication of this.

The Teen Grid will most likely disappear or annex and the content filtering will be by Sim (Mature / PG).

We have to find new solutions to the age issue because there will come a time where even kids are verified.

I am guessing that down the line, for legal and other protective purposes, LL is going to introduce an age flag that will indicate minor/teen/adult.
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lilly Margetts
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Join date: 8 Apr 2006
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08-07-2006 03:40
From: Aodhan McDunnough
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Be prepared for the coming inevitable changes. SL is evolving towards having all residents (kids, teens, and adults) on the main grid. Their transferring the payment status filtering to residents is a strong indication of this.

The Teen Grid will most likely disappear or annex and the content filtering will be by Sim (Mature / PG).

We have to find new solutions to the age issue because there will come a time where even kids are verified.

I am guessing that down the line, for legal and other protective purposes, LL is going to introduce an age flag that will indicate minor/teen/adult.


a "age flag"?and how easy would that be to break...a few seconds to anyone realize that they can just change write any birthdate during the registration?
Aodhan McDunnough
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08-07-2006 03:45
From: lilly Margetts
a "age flag"?and how easy would that be to break...a few seconds to anyone realize that they can just change write any birthdate during the registration?


Correct, it is.

But fact remains there is no reliable method *anywhere* for age verification and I do not foresee Linden Lab ever returning verification. At this point I'm not siding with returning it or with keeping it off because it's a complicated issue once juxstaposed with what LL plans for SL, I'm only stating what I see is going to happen.

Hence my call for finding new methods to deal with the problem. These methods are likely going to be enforcement-type because underage registration is not preventable.
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lilly Margetts
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08-07-2006 03:48
From: Aodhan McDunnough
Correct, it is.

But fact remains there is no reliable method *anywhere* for age verification and I do not foresee Linden Lab ever returning verification. At this point I'm not siding with returning it or with keeping it off, I'm only stating what I see is going to happen.

Hence my call for finding new methods to deal with the problem. These methods are likely going to be enforcement-type because underage registration is not preventable.


anyone in the western world above 18 has a credit or debit card...not only in the us. so when i see someone from outside the us and in a western country crying about it.they are definitly underage.
in the undeveloped world who really has money to spend in second life has a credit card or debit card either...so
this is purely insane
Wrom Morrison
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Join date: 15 Apr 2006
Posts: 462
08-07-2006 03:52
From: lilly Margetts
we(goreans,age play, even furry,etc) seem to be under a "threat" of some people who have no **** clue of what role play is and are mixing it with something like if it was real-its play-NOW,WE ARE IN A MATURE PLATFORM,if there are underage in that play-LL is failing to prevent underage from coming into the main grid,IN A COURT LL wouldnt have much "ways out" of the embarassing situation they put themselves with open registration-PLEASE LL DO SOMETHING STOP WITH THIS


Role playing by definition is nothing adult.

Plus, the Furry life style is not something that is only adult. There can be PG furries, as they exist in TG.

Goreans on the other-hand are surely Mature only.

Age Players, are pedophiles and I will slaughter them with great vengence...

So are you an ageplayer?
lilly Margetts
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08-07-2006 03:54
From: Wrom Morrison
Role playing by definition is nothing adult.

Plus, the Furry life style is not something that is only adult. There can be PG furries, as they exist in TG.

Goreans on the other-hand are surely Mature only.

Age Players, are pedophiles and I will slaughter them with great vengence...

So are you an ageplayer?


I am gorean,roleplaying or not-in gorean sims you can lately find a lot of underages on them
Aodhan McDunnough
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08-07-2006 03:56
From: lilly Margetts
anyone in the western world above 18 has a credit or debit card...not only in the us. so when i see someone from outside the us and in a western country crying about it.they are definitly underage.
in the undeveloped world who really has money to spend in second life has a credit card or debit card either...so
this is purely insane


Western world. And a lot of people, even those with money, do not have credit cards. Where I am many have credit cards already but a lot still don't. Furthermore, factor in the rampant CC scamming/phishing you find all over and you get a population that has CCs but will be highly reluctant to punch the numbers into a website. This reluctance is not as uncommon as you might like.

Also, Wrom is right. Roleplaying is not an adult-exclusive activity.
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lilly Margetts
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08-07-2006 03:58
From: Aodhan McDunnough
Western world. And a lot of people, even those with money, do not have credit cards. Where I am many have credit cards already but a lot still don't. Further more, factor in the rampant CC scamming you find all over and you get a population that has CCs but will be highly reluctant to punch the numbers into a website. This reluctance is a worldwide phenomenon.

Also, Wrom is right. Roleplaying is not an adult-exclusive activity.


adult roleplay its definitly not for underage-and in the "western world" if they dont have one and have money-no bank will have trouble giving them at least a debit card...
Aodhan McDunnough
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08-07-2006 04:01
From: lilly Margetts
adult roleplay its definitly not for underage-and in the "western world" if they dont have one and have money-no bank will have trouble giving them at least a debit card...


Factor in the reluctance. Despite the media articles most people have never heard of Linden Lab or Second Life. To put in credit card info a person needs to trust the company who's asking for the info.

I have to repeat myself though. Though I side neither way on the issue, like it or not, expect that Linden Lab will NEVER return the verification.

If you'd read the link I put upstairs you will see that mature lands will block unverifieds eventually. So if you believe that verification is the key to blocking mature material, then simply restrict all your adult material to mature sims.
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lilly Margetts
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08-07-2006 04:05
so LL needs a court case to get scared? could be arranged
and someone will do it definitly with all the lately complains
Aodhan McDunnough
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08-07-2006 04:06
From: lilly Margetts
so LL needs a court case to get scared? could be arranged
and someone will do it definitly with all the lately complains


No they don't. MySpace I'm sure took care of that. LL has a team of lawyers and I'm sure that the issue has been taken up.

Now what exactly they'll do with what they've discussed is anybody's guess. One of the things they did was give verification filtering to residents. Parcels are like websites, so use the tools as needed.

Now to your specific problem it may be better to lockout your mature sims and provide a greeting/orientation area to screen or educate new people to how roleplaying operates.

I'm part of such a group IRL where we orient new gamers. We let them ask questions and we tell them how it's done.
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lilly Margetts
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08-07-2006 04:08
From: Aodhan McDunnough
No they don't. MySpace I'm sure took care of that. LL has a team of lawyers and I'm sure that the issue has been taken up.

Now what exactly they'll do with what they've discussed is anybody's guess. One of the things they did was give verification filtering to residents. Parcels are like websites, so use the tools as needed.


i have no idea about myspace,but several before have been shutdown for poor filtering methods
Aodhan McDunnough
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08-07-2006 04:11
From: lilly Margetts
i have no idea about myspace,but several before have been shutdown for poor filtering methods


Myspace was not shutdown but was sued. As a result they changed who gets to see what data. If you notice, that's what the payment info filtering land tools are supposed to do also.

There are two approaches to the issue, you filter the user, or you filter the content. You don't need both.

LL is giving us content filters.
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Wrom Morrison
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08-07-2006 04:25
From: lilly Margetts
adult roleplay its definitly not for underage-and in the "western world" if they dont have one and have money-no bank will have trouble giving them at least a debit card...


Roleplaying by itself is both for adults and children. What you might have ment to say was "Adult Roleplay was not for children".

Look at all the other MMO's on the market. Yes, RPG's that are for all.
Timmins Hamilton
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Join date: 15 May 2004
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08-07-2006 05:35
From: lilly Margetts
anyone in the western world above 18 has a credit or debit card...not only in the us. so when i see someone from outside the us and in a western country crying about it.they are definitly underage.
in the undeveloped world who really has money to spend in second life has a credit card or debit card either...so
this is purely insane


WOW - what a sweeping statement lol. What about those people who have no credit card because they dont want one? Or because of mad credit rating?

There are loads of people in the western world that dont have credit cards.
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