Ban new accounts from using self replication cycle scripts for 15 days.
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Cilis Nephilim
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Join date: 24 Jan 2006
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04-30-2006 15:33
We have an age flag already on avatars... they have access to all other features of LSL and could still learn it/ play with it.
This fix would mean a griefer could only really bring the grid down twice a month unless they made multipule accounts, Since it only disable's newbies from using, ressing or writing scripts that have self replication cycles, The downside would be that they couldnt use guns... I have a fix to this I will get to later.
The system would scan a script every time it is saved for a res cycle, if it has one the script gets a new line added to it by the system automatically, this line prevents newbies from using the object, ressing it, or activating it.
Now this would of course disable some vendors and most guns...
Solution? human intervention.
We should have lindens that look over objects and vendors we wish newbies to play with, if it gets a "safe" stamp from them, then newbies can use it, this safe stamp is BROKEN and has to be reapplyed if the gun is modified in any way outside of attachment spot and adjusting it on your avatar.
This means that scripts wouldnt lag out the system with safty checks, since they are deemed safe or unsafe at the time of saving. Venders could still work, guns could still work.
This'd prevent nuke droppers, R2 bomb spammers and virus writers for at least 15 days... if someone started making accounts to cycle to grief more often, it would at least get annoying for them as it is for us... and maybe the lack of instant pleasure would deter them.
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Jessica Elytis
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Join date: 7 Oct 2005
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04-30-2006 15:37
Would work until the griefer-scriptors broke the "safe stamp". Too many wesites out there with scripts like this to use agasint SL (and no, I'm not listing them to help the stupid).
Though I do like the idea of the 15 restriction on grief related scripts. Not like newbies will even know how to use such before that timeframe anyway. WEll, aside from ppl making alts, but they can plan for that.
~Jessy
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Cilis Nephilim
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Join date: 24 Jan 2006
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04-30-2006 15:40
Yeah, its a hurtle if anything... I figure if the game goes from completely vulnerable to slightly hard to attack, they're be less evil activity.
A reason for all the attacks on windows based products is because hackers despise how unsafe the system is and the backdoors that microsoft leaves in for themselves. Secondlife has the "wide open" problem, so unless the kid just hates someone in secondlife chances are he thinks he is helping the game by forcing everyone to look at the glaring security holes.
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Mianko Kirkorian
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Join date: 30 Mar 2006
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04-30-2006 15:42
They need to use a banning system that bans by both IP adress and MAC adress.. thus once banned that computer can no longer log in intill the bans have exspired... system Mac adresses are difficult to change is banned by the actual system adress.... the only way to get around it if they have a router... the router would be banned intead and they can take one more shot from each computer at the Hub
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Shyotl Kuhr
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Join date: 15 Jun 2005
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04-30-2006 15:52
IP addresses tend to be dynamic for most isps. At most, it'd just require the person to restart their modem, or whatever.. It's not a useful thing to ban.. Also, MAC addresses can be changed fairly easily, especially with routers. It wouldn't be effective. Breaking LSL functions won't fly. Limiting object rezzing would hinder alot of legitimate uses. Country boarders restrict alot of legal action. Credit cards are iffy at best.
LL just needs to make some tools to help handle these situations. They can disable scripts for the entire grid, but it seems like its a rather tedious task to undergo, and they also seem unable to stop objects from being rezzed. On top of that, it seems they have no way to simply remove objects owned by a specific avatar. Countering grid attacks isn't the residents responsibility. It's Linden Labs responsibility. Instead of breaking stuff for residents they could actually, you know, impliment some extra tools for themselves?
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Cilis Nephilim
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Join date: 24 Jan 2006
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04-30-2006 15:55
Great point...
The safty stamp was kind of my shot at such a tool but good luck certifiying every self res script :/
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HellSpawneD Xingjian
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Join date: 26 Sep 2005
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04-30-2006 16:00
you mentioned banning of IPs,.for most of us with a dynamic IP,.its just a case of turning off your router for a few moments,.then what comes next? banning whole ranges of IPs ? I have been to several IRC servers in my time just to find my IP range is banned. A better method would be to track ppl down using thier credit cards and sue or whatever. Plus,.most ISPs ,.will actually remove troublesome ppl from thier membership for violating their OWN Terms of Service,.Maybe this should be considered ?
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Micheal Vaughan
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Join date: 2 Dec 2005
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04-30-2006 16:40
i think hellspawnd had a great idea. instead of going after the idividuals themselves, go after their ISP providers. SL knows the IP address and the time of the attacks, and since they are losing real money from illigal use of the ISP, which all ISPs have some sort of TOS. i am sure these ISP providers would rather take away these kids internet access than maybe face legal consiquences in the future.
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Benny Tandino
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Join date: 28 Mar 2006
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04-30-2006 16:48
From: Cilis Nephilim Secondlife has the "wide open" problem, so unless the kid just hates someone in secondlife chances are he thinks he is helping the game by forcing everyone to look at the glaring security holes. It's the basis for most cracking, although, if that was the script writer's point, he definately went about it the wrong way.
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Csven Concord
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Join date: 19 Mar 2005
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04-30-2006 16:49
Remove the features from SL. Everytime someone thinks their kewl and exploits something, remove that feature. People - including the griefers - will eventually be left with nothing (except maybe some non-creative, heavy-handed corporate thing). Oh well.
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