Reason Abuse Levels not Riseing (pay atten LL)

From this blog http://secondlife.blogs.com/change/2006/06/though_you_may_.html I'd say LL doesn't think abuse levels are rising.

They're wrong.

What to know why?

They go on how many Abuse Reports are filed for how much griefing is on the rise.

The sad fact is, no one is filing Abuse Reports anymore because the moral has sank to such a level we no longer trust LL to actually do anything about the Abuse Reports. I'd say a good portion of residents are of the mind that "Why file an AR? LL never does anything about them anyway."

LL can deny this and state that they do follow up on them all, but until the majority of the residents believe that, then it doesn't matter if LL does or not. They do not -appear- to do anything. What goes on behind the scenes is irrelivant. It is the public opinion that drives (or kills) a community such as this.

With every bit of silence on LL's part, they drive on more nail into the coffin.

~Jessy *waiting to hear -anything- from LL*

i dunno

Also. It's hard to AR orbits or things that don't register in pvp.

he nows!

This is a *possible* reason abuse reports are not rising. But it is speculative.

What we need is some kind of poll, conducted with a real random sample. The forums do not comprise such a poll, as the sample self-selects and is inherently non-random.

Anybody have the time to run a random poll of SL users? I imagine the IM utility could be of some use.

Note that Daniel's stats only reflected the first week after the change, which is a small dataset to begin with. And as Gwyneth notes in her reply, that week the entire grid was down for a full day for a patch PLUS there were widespread problems with people not being able to log in.

Not exactly a scientific sample, I'd say. But hey: Lindens, here's more sand to stick your head into.

Plus -- as Eponine points out in the blog comments -- how likely are the griefing throwaway account to be filing abuse reports? Not terribly likely at all, and yet they are included in the population statistics for the "fraction of users filing reports". If historically 100 users would report an average of 1 AR per day, there is an influx of 400 throwaway accounts and the average number of ARs goes up to 5, well sure the average is still 1 AR per 100 users, but that stat had become skewed beyond all meaning.

A much better metric would be to examine the rate of abuse reporting for those users with SL birthdays prior to June 6th. That will filter out the garbage accounts, and I'm sure one would see a much larger griefing rate.

It's also because it's a percentage.

If a town has 300 people, and the bank gets robbed once every year, it may be tolerable.

If that same town increases to 300,000 people, and the bank gets robbed 1000 times a year, the "griefing", er, crime percentage per resident is identical; it hasn't risen.

But that bank sure is gonna feel an increase, and a whole lot of hurt.

This "percentage" thing is meaningless except for in relation to itself.

Griefing is on the rise, period.

Its not the Lindens "not doing anything about it" that has caused me to give up on AR's its the fact that after these clowns are banned they come back on an Alt 5 minutes later and the greifing continues. Ban em again? they're right back again with a new alt and the harrassment continues.

The Free basic account and no CC verification thing was a BAD idea.

I don't Know, I must be doing something wrong, because every time I file an abuse report, I get Action on it.
Granted, it isn't spectacular action, i have yet to see a single Mushroom cloud where once stood an Obscene sculpture on a PG sim. I haven't had a single griefer explode into a shower of Bloodied Fragments, littering the Landscape with his fetid remains.
However, i Have seen Minor offenders Warned, Repeat Offenders suspended, and Major offenders Banned. But of course i See that when i hang around to Watch. In cases where i can't be Bothered to hang about, I've checked the Offenders status later Only to find them No longer on the roles. The Lindens DON'T report directly to me on their actions, I generally have to Check for Myself, and what i find is usually quite satisfactory.
I Know what to expect from the Lindens, and i Look for it, and i Find it. And to date, I've been quite satisfied.
Who am I? I'm just another Basic account. I paid my Ten Bucks two years ago when Basic cost Ten Bucks, and I've had two years of productive, Interesting Play. I don't pay $200 a month Real Money like some. I don't own a Billion acres of Simulated Realestate, or the Hottest Nightspot in SL (yet) I don't have vendors full of merchandise in Every simulated Mall from one end of the Map to the Other. I'm Just another Basic account. So, Why is it I get action, and others say they don't? I think it just comes down to Reasonable expectations. Warnings, suspensions, and Bans are enough for me, I don't need show trials, and beheadings to keep me Happy. Someone used Rude Language in the wrong Place? Ok, AR it, File it, and forget it. If vengance Fierce and Bloody for the slightest Infraction is your aim, your never going to be satisfied.

Angel.

i'm still ARing, and i usually get some sort of response too.

You're thinking of a PvP report. The "Report Abuse" option under Help is different.

70% of the grief I've gotten since I started come from things that don't register on the PVP abuse reporter. Orbiters and Pusher objects do not register hence I can't report.

Listening, LL?

I used to AR, but I don't usually bother anymore, except to raise teh attention of a Linden if one is already present on the scene. In every case, the only response I've noticed is a generic "your AR has been registered and filed. We cannot tell you how it was resolved." A response like that isn't exactly encouragement to bother helping LL police their world.

You really have to tell me the secret how I can check on an AR I have filed being acted upon. I get the standard "AR resolved, can't tell you what we did" mail everytime, but how am I supposed to see what action has been taken? It takes days to resolve an AR, and I wouldn't know how to be at the exact same spot as the offender when the ban / warning / whatever occurs.

I still file abuse reports, just for the sake of correctness. When I see a new resident firing guns, caging people or similar, I add the phrase "TAKE AWAY UNCHECKED SIGNUPS!". And I still propose for publically disclosing the names of repeat offenders or people who get themselves suspended for a period of time.

I don't want specific naming, or to even know if my own AR's get taken care of one way to another. What I want is an OVERALL PUBLIC SHOW OF LL DOING SOMETHING.

Right now all they do is in private. Griefing is on the rise. Anyone who says different is full of $#!%. I don't care if Phillip himself says greifing isn't rising signifficantly, that last statement stands.

Telling us that "there is no significant rise in griefing" is like a president of a coutnry saying "I smoked marajauna, but I didn't inhale."

Excuse me, but we're not that stupid.

Plain fact for all; Numbers lie. Sorry to tell all you college grads that, but things on paper don't work in real life, and not in Second Life either. Put it down on paper, plan it all out, and if you don't use common sense you're gonna drop it right in the toilet.

There has been more than enough complaints about increased griefing. Inworld and on the forums. I imagine that the ARs are going in greatly increased numbers as well even if they don't show a "significant rise" when modeled agasint the "current population".

LL's continue ignoring of posts (there are several in the Answers forum which jsut get pushed down teh list by "easy" threads being answered), and the complete non-response to the outcreies of the residents is moral defeating. It shows a lack of caring of thier customers, wether they do or not. 80% of buiness is Public Relations.

Like the greifer numbers, the numbers show that those of us on the forums are a minority. I'd say this is because most of SL is like suburban America. People know there's a proplem, but don't think they can do anythign about it, so just go on as best they can. Others don't want to be bothered, and still more are AFRAID to speak out for fear of being in the line of fire.

Yes, there are only a few on the boards who make up that "vocal minority". We're here because we -care- about SL. Wether we make L$ in a buisness, or simply just live here to socialise, we care about the community.

And if you truely want to look at percentages, then LL's % of answering complaints and toeing to help the community has dropped "significantly" with the rise of new accounts.

I do respect and appreciate all of LL's hard work, but Phillip, or Robin, or someone needs to pull away from the next new "shiney" in LL and sit down and get a Thread going for discussion. They're going to be beat on since this has gone on so long, but they may have answers for all this. We jsut want to hear them.

Please?

~Jessy

I haven't noticed an increase in griefing. In fact, I can't remember the last time anyone was even rude to me.

Bum!

When I file reports nothing happens. Last night a 6/6/06 alt in a very strange avatar came up to me and made a not sought after comments on my religion. I was with a friend of mine minding our own business on future land of mine. I kept my cool and the griefer left to harass another.
It does not matter what the griefers do, nothing happens.

You mean the guy who holds town halls and has responded to questions about X with:Is that the Philip you mean?

You only get that sort of response if you're either FIC or Charter, preferably both

And to get the 'Giant finger pointing through the cloud, thunderbolt, and a sad pile of ashes'?