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Karley Tandino

Registered User

Join date: 11 Apr 2006

Posts: 3

06-29-2006 16:51

Today we had to defend our property 4 times today from griefers. I was forced to fill my land with prims so nobody could put any giagantic boxes blocking my entrance to my store. I thought by contacting a linden it would help but didn't get a response from Governer Linden and there was another Linden i asked forgot the name now. I know linden labs does not approve of griefers. but they do not punish them either. My wife got a hold of a Linden later on and was told to file a abuse report. I know how that works, because i have done it before, You file one and thats it, there isn't any follow up or closesure to your abuse report.

I want to take matters into my own hands and combat these griefers with weapons or something but i am unfamiler in this area, its a shame i have to get combat items now since they opened up the registration process to anyone. I'll be shopping for weapons tonight, i usually shop for clothes guess not anymore. I'll be looking for the latest gun!

I wish Linden labs would either -DO SOMETHING about people that are causing grief, I mean comon this is borderline terrorist and if these people could kill im sure they would.

I'll be filing my abuse reports as im told but i want to voice that im not happy with the way things are going. I spent quite a bit of money in SL around $500 just on Linden and i've only been playing for a little over a month. Don't you want my money?: Make me happy

Ilianexsi Sojourner

Chick with Horns

Join date: 11 Jul 2004

Posts: 1,707

06-29-2006 17:14

Sorry to hear it, Karley. If you don't want people to rez things on your land and block your store, you can also set your land to 'no build.' It keeps customers from putting down any boxed items they've just bought, but it also prevents griefers from leaving junk all over. Or, if all the objects on the land are owned by you, just set autoreturn on the land.

You can also ban the griefers from your land-- that is, add them to the ban list in 'about land.' This is especially useful if you have repeated problems with one person.

Keep filing the abuse reports, but be careful with shooting back at griefers. You don't want to do anything that could get you AR'd in return. You could also try talking to Live Help, which is accessible from the in-world help menu, if someone is giving you an immediate problem-- there are usually a couple of Lindens listening in there.

Good luck with this-- hopefully if you're patient and wait it out, they'll get bored and stop acting childish! Don't worry, most people in SL aren't like that.

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Fa nyak

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Join date: 8 Oct 2004

Posts: 342

06-29-2006 18:05

can godwin's law be extended to cover terrorism?

anyways, yes, what she said ^^ don't fight fire with fire, as tempting as it may be.

Phoenix Psaltery

Ninja Wizard

Join date: 25 Feb 2005

Posts: 2,599

06-29-2006 18:17

<editmode>There is out in full force?

What about Active Worlds and TSO, are they out in full force too?</editmode>

P2

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Doubledown Tandino

ADULT on the Mainland!

Join date: 9 Mar 2006

Posts: 1,020

06-29-2006 18:22

Yeah, definitely don't do anything which can lead to a griefer to reporting you. You have a lot to lose, where a griefer doesn't care if they are removed from SL.

Griefers (hopefully) will be dwindling soon since their computer info is now being tracked by LL.... hopefully the new system will ban computers from SL....

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Charlene Trudeau

SkyBeam Architect

Join date: 23 Aug 2005

Posts: 318

06-29-2006 20:55

I hate to respectfully disagree, but I must. Every abuse report that I have filed has been dealt with by the Lindens. Every griefer bombing on any kind of scale has been banned. Yes, they can come right back, but the Lindens *are* dealing with them and we *do* have to keep filing the abuse reports or the Lindens will think all is well in the world. We cannot abdicate our responsibility to our world because we are frustrated. We must take the time to report every single time that it is justified.

Rather than fill your lot with prims, if you owned it, you could set it to no build (world -> about land -> Options, uncheck 'create objects') to avoid anyone blocking your shop in this manner.

Also, Babbage Linden has created a PVP shield that reports the name of the griefer. Crucial Armitage has it out by her shop in Gama (117,218,36), free and redistributable, so that we can get an accurate read on who just shot us, bombed, etc, to make reporting easier to accomplish.

Char

Michael Martinez

Don't poke me!

Join date: 28 Jul 2004

Posts: 515

06-29-2006 21:37

With land tools this is so easy to take care of, you change your land to auto return (which should be on for a store anyways), set for 1 minute, and the object will be gone.

Also mention set to no build during that kind of attack then no one can build for that time.

And for help, you go to Live Help (contacting a linden directly is not a good idea, as they might be doing something else, not there, etc.. use Live Help), there is always a Linden on duty, so file that abuse report, as Linden will not come without that, and then head to Live Help and state the problem, the sim, and a Linden will come.

I am sorry this happened, but do that abuse report, go to live help, should always have auto return on anyways at a store to keep clean, and makes sure all object left to steal/scam money will be returned as well without having to hunt them down.

And also as stated, abuse report with proof are acted apon, I see that in the police blotter everyday and from what I have seen in world.

Again sorry this happen, but with the current land tools, abuse report and Live Help, this would of been handled very quickly, without filling your land with prims.

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Freyr Elvehjem

Registered User

Join date: 13 May 2006

Posts: 133

06-30-2006 04:30

From: Karley Tandino

I want to take matters into my own hands and combat these griefers with weapons or something but i am unfamiler in this area, its a shame i have to get combat items now since they opened up the registration process to anyone. I'll be shopping for weapons tonight, i usually shop for clothes guess not anymore. I'll be looking for the latest gun!

If you start trying to fight back with weapons then not only will you be opening yourself up to possible ARs (as others have already pointed out) but you will also most likely just wind up escalating the situation. If you happen to get the best of they griefers bothering you now, that'll just wound their egos. They will make you their whole focus. If they're just trying to fill your land with prims right now, you're getting off easy. If you fight back they'll most likely try worse methods, possibly bringing more griefer-buddies to join in the "fun".

CJ Carnot

Registered User

Join date: 23 Oct 2005

Posts: 433

06-30-2006 04:51

From: Charlene Trudeau

I hate to respectfully disagree, but I must. Every abuse report that I have filed has been dealt with by the Lindens.

This could go on all day and I'll respectfully disagree since personally I'd hate to disrespectfully disagree

I've not once received a response to an abuse report. From being orbited out of my house, to the latest, being the "management" scam at my shop.

Lucifer Baphomet

Postmodern Demon

Join date: 8 Sep 2005

Posts: 1,771

06-30-2006 05:02

I'd like to resectfully disagree, and disrespectfully agree, but I'd rather be a lumberjack.

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Androclese Torgeson

I've got nothin'

Join date: 11 May 2004

Posts: 144

06-30-2006 05:20

From: Phoenix Psaltery

<editmode>There is out in full force?

What about Active Worlds and TSO, are they out in full force too?</editmode>

P2

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Michael Martinez

Don't poke me!

Join date: 28 Jul 2004

Posts: 515

06-30-2006 07:23

You will never receive a response for you AR (Besides a resolved email, but does not say if or what will happen, as Cindy stated), that has never been done.

If you want to see if anything happened you watch the Police blotter and see if something like your situation is in there, and then assume that is yours. You will not get a reply, so if you are basing your "nothing is ever done" because you have not gotten a reply, you never will, and no one ever has, it is not handle in a public way so then you can go to them go hahahaha, and start round two (not saying you would, but seen more then a few that would).

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Cindy Claveau

Gignowanasanafonicon

Join date: 16 May 2005

Posts: 2,008

06-30-2006 08:38

From: Michael Martinez

You will never receive a response for you AR, that has never been done.

Having filed dozens of ARs, I can assure you that we do receive a response -- it says "Report has been resolved". That's it.

From: someone

If you want to see if anything happened you watch the Police blotter and see if something like your situation is in there, and then assume that is yours.

Of course, only 25 reports are featured on the blotter and they're not even the most recent. On some days, half of the reports are for tree limbs hanging over property lines.

Karley, I'll reinforce what others have said about using your land tools. First, be sure everything in your store is set to your group (Edit the object and check ownership - the creator will have ownership, but the "Group" field should be the same as the group owning the land). Then set Auto-return for 1 minute. This allows people to drop their boxed purchses on the ground and extract the contents. If your vendors are giving inventory folders instead of bundled boxes, go ahead and set Auto-return at 0. It's the same as "No Build" in effect without preventing you and your vendors from adding to your store.

Also, if you're present when griefers strike, always right click --> More --> Freeze them first to stop them from doing further damage, then add them to the Ban list under "World", "About Land". You can also ban from the pie menu (right click) but in my experience it seems to be a bit buggy and unreliable. Once they're on the ban list, right click on them again, "More" --> "Eject" and they're gone.

Good luck.

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Devlin Gallant

Thought Police

Join date: 18 Jun 2003

Posts: 5,948

06-30-2006 08:42

We have been begging LL to do something about griefers since Beta. Seems like our pleas fall on deaf ears.

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Xtreme Overdrive

New Breed Of Hero

Join date: 31 Mar 2006

Posts: 19

06-30-2006 08:55

1.) Set Land To Autoreturn
2.) Install a security device.
3.) Have someone with land rights there and access to the device boot the tards.

And.... since they're in style, buy an Orbitter.

Venus Vaughan

Registered User

Join date: 3 Dec 2005

Posts: 66

06-30-2006 09:00

From: Karley Tandino

I want to take matters into my own hands and combat these griefers with weapons or something but i am unfamiler in this area, its a shame i have to get combat items now since they opened up the registration process to anyone. I'll be shopping for weapons tonight, i usually shop for clothes guess not anymore. I'll be looking for the latest gun!

I wish Linden labs would either -DO SOMETHING about people that are causing grief, I mean comon this is borderline terrorist and if these people could kill im sure they would.

QUOTE]

I feel For as a shooper i hate this trying to go in to a shop and seeing this to ..

As im also feeling it when i got shop and there is a residents places next to the shop and they set there land tools to bounce ppl .. Now lindens have extened the bounderis up even higher .. I have a hard time shopping i keep getting bounced . i think that too is a "BAD" Idea . when you cant shop for any thing .This only prevents ppl from shopping or .. like me im im tired of getting bounced when i shop . so im about ready to give up on shopping altogether . to bad there is not any bounderies for this or having. it where if you up a shop there is boundiers to reidents around your place . kinda makes it hardon every body ...

Like my SL sis had a very beautiful place for her home then a big CLUB come in and its a eye sore and know i believe she will be forced to pack up and move and she was there first not this club .. there should be some type of tool and zoning regulations on this ..

If you have a griefer and its not taken care of then you Take matters in your own hand and your the one who gets in trouble for defending your own land ... i think if your defending your land there should not be a penaty .. just like in Real life .. if a thief come in your house you have the right to defend your property and may shoot to kill .. same rules should apply here ...

what do you think ???

VV

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Karley Tandino Registered User Join date: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 3	06-29-2006 16:51 Today we had to defend our property 4 times today from griefers. I was forced to fill my land with prims so nobody could put any giagantic boxes blocking my entrance to my store. I thought by contacting a linden it would help but didn't get a response from Governer Linden and there was another Linden i asked forgot the name now. I know linden labs does not approve of griefers. but they do not punish them either. My wife got a hold of a Linden later on and was told to file a abuse report. I know how that works, because i have done it before, You file one and thats it, there isn't any follow up or closesure to your abuse report. I want to take matters into my own hands and combat these griefers with weapons or something but i am unfamiler in this area, its a shame i have to get combat items now since they opened up the registration process to anyone. I'll be shopping for weapons tonight, i usually shop for clothes guess not anymore. I'll be looking for the latest gun! I wish Linden labs would either -DO SOMETHING about people that are causing grief, I mean comon this is borderline terrorist and if these people could kill im sure they would. I'll be filing my abuse reports as im told but i want to voice that im not happy with the way things are going. I spent quite a bit of money in SL around $500 just on Linden and i've only been playing for a little over a month. Don't you want my money?: Make me happy
Ilianexsi Sojourner Chick with Horns Join date: 11 Jul 2004 Posts: 1,707	06-29-2006 17:14 Sorry to hear it, Karley. If you don't want people to rez things on your land and block your store, you can also set your land to 'no build.' It keeps customers from putting down any boxed items they've just bought, but it also prevents griefers from leaving junk all over. Or, if all the objects on the land are owned by you, just set autoreturn on the land. You can also ban the griefers from your land-- that is, add them to the ban list in 'about land.' This is especially useful if you have repeated problems with one person. Keep filing the abuse reports, but be careful with shooting back at griefers. You don't want to do anything that could get you AR'd in return. You could also try talking to Live Help, which is accessible from the in-world help menu, if someone is giving you an immediate problem-- there are usually a couple of Lindens listening in there. Good luck with this-- hopefully if you're patient and wait it out, they'll get bored and stop acting childish! Don't worry, most people in SL aren't like that. _____________________ Everything's impossible,'till it ain't. --Ben Hawkins, Carnivale Help build a Utopian Playland-- www.doctorsteel.com. Music, robots, fun times!
Fa nyak >(O.o)< Join date: 8 Oct 2004 Posts: 342	06-29-2006 18:05 can godwin's law be extended to cover terrorism? anyways, yes, what she said ^^ don't fight fire with fire, as tempting as it may be.
Phoenix Psaltery Ninja Wizard Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,599	06-29-2006 18:17 <editmode>There is out in full force? What about Active Worlds and TSO, are they out in full force too?</editmode> P2 _____________________
Doubledown Tandino ADULT on the Mainland! Join date: 9 Mar 2006 Posts: 1,020	06-29-2006 18:22 Yeah, definitely don't do anything which can lead to a griefer to reporting you. You have a lot to lose, where a griefer doesn't care if they are removed from SL. Griefers (hopefully) will be dwindling soon since their computer info is now being tracked by LL.... hopefully the new system will ban computers from SL.... _____________________ http://djdoubledown.blogspot.com
Charlene Trudeau SkyBeam Architect Join date: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 318	06-29-2006 20:55 I hate to respectfully disagree, but I must. Every abuse report that I have filed has been dealt with by the Lindens. Every griefer bombing on any kind of scale has been banned. Yes, they can come right back, but the Lindens are dealing with them and we do have to keep filing the abuse reports or the Lindens will think all is well in the world. We cannot abdicate our responsibility to our world because we are frustrated. We must take the time to report every single time that it is justified. Rather than fill your lot with prims, if you owned it, you could set it to no build (world -> about land -> Options, uncheck 'create objects') to avoid anyone blocking your shop in this manner. Also, Babbage Linden has created a PVP shield that reports the name of the griefer. Crucial Armitage has it out by her shop in Gama (117,218,36), free and redistributable, so that we can get an accurate read on who just shot us, bombed, etc, to make reporting easier to accomplish. Char
Michael Martinez Don't poke me! Join date: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 515	06-29-2006 21:37 With land tools this is so easy to take care of, you change your land to auto return (which should be on for a store anyways), set for 1 minute, and the object will be gone. Also mention set to no build during that kind of attack then no one can build for that time. And for help, you go to Live Help (contacting a linden directly is not a good idea, as they might be doing something else, not there, etc.. use Live Help), there is always a Linden on duty, so file that abuse report, as Linden will not come without that, and then head to Live Help and state the problem, the sim, and a Linden will come. I am sorry this happened, but do that abuse report, go to live help, should always have auto return on anyways at a store to keep clean, and makes sure all object left to steal/scam money will be returned as well without having to hunt them down. And also as stated, abuse report with proof are acted apon, I see that in the police blotter everyday and from what I have seen in world. Again sorry this happen, but with the current land tools, abuse report and Live Help, this would of been handled very quickly, without filling your land with prims. _____________________ There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed. (Bill Gates)
Freyr Elvehjem Registered User Join date: 13 May 2006 Posts: 133	06-30-2006 04:30 From: Karley Tandino I want to take matters into my own hands and combat these griefers with weapons or something but i am unfamiler in this area, its a shame i have to get combat items now since they opened up the registration process to anyone. I'll be shopping for weapons tonight, i usually shop for clothes guess not anymore. I'll be looking for the latest gun! If you start trying to fight back with weapons then not only will you be opening yourself up to possible ARs (as others have already pointed out) but you will also most likely just wind up escalating the situation. If you happen to get the best of they griefers bothering you now, that'll just wound their egos. They will make you their whole focus. If they're just trying to fill your land with prims right now, you're getting off easy. If you fight back they'll most likely try worse methods, possibly bringing more griefer-buddies to join in the "fun".
CJ Carnot Registered User Join date: 23 Oct 2005 Posts: 433	06-30-2006 04:51 From: Charlene Trudeau I hate to respectfully disagree, but I must. Every abuse report that I have filed has been dealt with by the Lindens. This could go on all day and I'll respectfully disagree since personally I'd hate to disrespectfully disagree I've not once received a response to an abuse report. From being orbited out of my house, to the latest, being the "management" scam at my shop.
Lucifer Baphomet Postmodern Demon Join date: 8 Sep 2005 Posts: 1,771	06-30-2006 05:02 I'd like to resectfully disagree, and disrespectfully agree, but I'd rather be a lumberjack. _____________________ I have no signature,
Androclese Torgeson I've got nothin' Join date: 11 May 2004 Posts: 144	06-30-2006 05:20 From: Phoenix Psaltery <editmode>There is out in full force? What about Active Worlds and TSO, are they out in full force too?</editmode> P2 Trans Siberian Orchestra? _____________________ Androclese Torgeson Real Life, also known as "that big room with the ceiling that is sometimes blue and sometimes black with little lights"
Michael Martinez Don't poke me! Join date: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 515	06-30-2006 07:23 You will never receive a response for you AR (Besides a resolved email, but does not say if or what will happen, as Cindy stated), that has never been done. If you want to see if anything happened you watch the Police blotter and see if something like your situation is in there, and then assume that is yours. You will not get a reply, so if you are basing your "nothing is ever done" because you have not gotten a reply, you never will, and no one ever has, it is not handle in a public way so then you can go to them go hahahaha, and start round two (not saying you would, but seen more then a few that would). _____________________ There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed. (Bill Gates)
Cindy Claveau Gignowanasanafonicon Join date: 16 May 2005 Posts: 2,008	06-30-2006 08:38 From: Michael Martinez You will never receive a response for you AR, that has never been done. Having filed dozens of ARs, I can assure you that we do receive a response -- it says "Report has been resolved". That's it. From: someone If you want to see if anything happened you watch the Police blotter and see if something like your situation is in there, and then assume that is yours. Of course, only 25 reports are featured on the blotter and they're not even the most recent. On some days, half of the reports are for tree limbs hanging over property lines. Karley, I'll reinforce what others have said about using your land tools. First, be sure everything in your store is set to your group (Edit the object and check ownership - the creator will have ownership, but the "Group" field should be the same as the group owning the land). Then set Auto-return for 1 minute. This allows people to drop their boxed purchses on the ground and extract the contents. If your vendors are giving inventory folders instead of bundled boxes, go ahead and set Auto-return at 0. It's the same as "No Build" in effect without preventing you and your vendors from adding to your store. Also, if you're present when griefers strike, always right click --> More --> Freeze them first to stop them from doing further damage, then add them to the Ban list under "World", "About Land". You can also ban from the pie menu (right click) but in my experience it seems to be a bit buggy and unreliable. Once they're on the ban list, right click on them again, "More" --> "Eject" and they're gone. Good luck. _____________________
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	06-30-2006 08:42 We have been begging LL to do something about griefers since Beta. Seems like our pleas fall on deaf ears. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Xtreme Overdrive New Breed Of Hero Join date: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 19	06-30-2006 08:55 1.) Set Land To Autoreturn 2.) Install a security device. 3.) Have someone with land rights there and access to the device boot the tards. And.... since they're in style, buy an Orbitter.
Venus Vaughan Registered User Join date: 3 Dec 2005 Posts: 66	06-30-2006 09:00 From: Karley Tandino I want to take matters into my own hands and combat these griefers with weapons or something but i am unfamiler in this area, its a shame i have to get combat items now since they opened up the registration process to anyone. I'll be shopping for weapons tonight, i usually shop for clothes guess not anymore. I'll be looking for the latest gun! I wish Linden labs would either -DO SOMETHING about people that are causing grief, I mean comon this is borderline terrorist and if these people could kill im sure they would. QUOTE] I feel For as a shooper i hate this trying to go in to a shop and seeing this to .. As im also feeling it when i got shop and there is a residents places next to the shop and they set there land tools to bounce ppl .. Now lindens have extened the bounderis up even higher .. I have a hard time shopping i keep getting bounced . i think that too is a "BAD" Idea . when you cant shop for any thing .This only prevents ppl from shopping or .. like me im im tired of getting bounced when i shop . so im about ready to give up on shopping altogether . to bad there is not any bounderies for this or having. it where if you up a shop there is boundiers to reidents around your place . kinda makes it hardon every body ... Like my SL sis had a very beautiful place for her home then a big CLUB come in and its a eye sore and know i believe she will be forced to pack up and move and she was there first not this club .. there should be some type of tool and zoning regulations on this .. If you have a griefer and its not taken care of then you Take matters in your own hand and your the one who gets in trouble for defending your own land ... i think if your defending your land there should not be a penaty .. just like in Real life .. if a thief come in your house you have the right to defend your property and may shoot to kill .. same rules should apply here ... what do you think ??? VV

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