Forum Ghettos: Drama's Final Solution?
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Enabran Templar
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03-02-2006 18:16
Intriguing. So it would appear that the latest tactic for cleaning up community management messes is to create traffic starvation ghettos. Creating a zero traffic Cough-Cough Forum for the Cough-Cough Program means that any discussion of said program can be quickly and neatly shuttled away to languish in obscurity.
I can't say that this move surprises me, but is it really in our best interests? Does the Cough-Cough Program have enough critical mass to warrant its own forum? I really don't think it does. Perhaps a more general Linden Policy Discussion forum would be called for in this case, but something dedicated just to the Cough-Cough?
/me coughs awkwardly.
Just weird. Let's take this further, though. Let's create a Lag Forum outside of Technical Issues, let's create an Alpha Channel forum outside of Texture/Design and a Sensors and Collisions forum outside of Scripting Tips.
What? Why are you looking at me like that? You mean no one will look at those, because they have a more general interest and they'll have limited opportunity to comment or assist on those specific topics?
No way.
I don't buy that for a second. And obviously, neither do the Lindens!
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Enabran Templar
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03-02-2006 18:33
I just realized I sort of Godwined the title of the thread. I swear that was accidental, but I still suck. Sorry. 
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Ghoti Nyak
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03-02-2006 18:42
Latest? It's happened plenty before. One example, the 'government in SL' drama.
I think its a good thing. People that care will read those forums. This could maybe help cut down on the crosstalk and let actual productive discussion occur?
-Ghoti
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Siggy Romulus
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03-02-2006 18:45
Not Godwins - Ghetto predates WWII.. you can find references in it in 'A Merchant of Venice'
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Elle Pollack
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03-02-2006 18:46
All I can say is that the intent of moving posts is *not* meant to stiffle or opress open discussion on a topic. That's not to say that the Lindens haven't made new subforums in the past to break catagories of heated discussion out of General. That's how we got the Land and Economy and SL Political Science forums. If memory serves, I don't think anyone then complained that those two forums were a form of "supression".
I don't know if any sort of "critical mass" was a deciding factor...I doubt it. There probably would have been a ResMod forum born under the Voulenteers section even if there wasn't a lot of drama surounding the issue.
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03-02-2006 18:58
From: Elle Pollack All I can say is that the intent of moving posts is *not* meant to stiffle or oppress open discussion on a topic. How does that go? "The road to randomness is paved with intentions of oppression" As this topic is firmly in the realm of "Linux Client Alpha Testers", I have summoned Neehai to repatriate it appropriately.
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Enabran Templar
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03-02-2006 19:08
From: Ghoti Nyak Latest? It's happened plenty before. One example, the 'government in SL' drama. I assume you mean the political science forum? Didn't Ulrika lead the charge to make that, though? I don't know anyone who is eager for this one.
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Noh Rinkitink
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03-02-2006 19:16
From: Enabran Templar I assume you mean the political science forum?
Didn't Ulrika lead the charge to make that, though? I don't know anyone who is eager for this one. Well now you do, because frankly I thought all the dramarama about the resmod program was getting rather boring, what with its most vocal opponents behaving in manners that I'll just say, for the sake of not getting into personal attacks, were somewhat less than impressive in a positive manner.  And Siggy, the Godwin trigger in question wasn't "ghetto", but "Final Solution".
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Siggy Romulus
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03-02-2006 19:47
From: Enabran Templar I assume you mean the political science forum?
Didn't Ulrika lead the charge to make that, though? I don't know anyone who is eager for this one. Hate to break it to ya.. but she spearheaded the Rezmod Revolution too.. ... and suddenly left right after the first were announced.... my first impression was akin to the makings of wine left out in the sun 
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Cocoanut Cookie
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03-02-2006 19:56
From: Elle Pollack All I can say is that the intent of moving posts is *not* meant to stiffle or opress open discussion on a topic. That's not to say that the Lindens haven't made new subforums in the past to break catagories of heated discussion out of General. That's how we got the Land and Economy and SL Political Science forums. If memory serves, I don't think anyone then complained that those two forums were a form of "supression". I don't know if any sort of "critical mass" was a deciding factor...I doubt it. There probably would have been a ResMod forum born under the Voulenteers section even if there wasn't a lot of drama surounding the issue. No it's not, and no you didn't. You've made it verbotten to discuss the resmod program except in the forum intended for resmods, with a description that implies approval. The land and economy and political science were not put there with descriptions, with, for example, "Forum for people who think that stipends should be removed," or "Forum for people who want socialism" or - take your pick. Even if the intent were not to stifle and oppress open discussion (which I think it was), the effect is to do so. coco P.S. Take my advice. Resmods shouldn't talk. It's like the motto of (I believe) the British monarchy: "Never complain, never explain."
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Margaret Mfume
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03-02-2006 20:00
From: Elle Pollack All I can say is that the intent of moving posts is *not* meant to stiffle or opress open discussion on a topic. That's not to say that the Lindens haven't made new subforums in the past to break catagories of heated discussion out of General. That's how we got the Land and Economy and SL Political Science forums. If memory serves, I don't think anyone then complained that those two forums were a form of "supression". The observed result is not altered by your observed intent. How does "to break categores of heated discussion" work with that lack of intent you were just talking about? I don't know about your memory, but there are more threads than you can possibly read. I have read comments referring to both of these as a wasteland. This usually is the response when people have come into a thread in General to suggest that it belongs in either of these categories. People would post in General on purpose to access more people.
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