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Cow Hand
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Join date: 20 Feb 2006
Posts: 292
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06-20-2006 10:17
Ok, I just got done doing a survey of weapons stores in SL. Now, I myself like weapons and have always shopped for cool ones regularly. However, I can say with all honesty that in the last few weeks, I have seen a huge BOOM in the number of people shopping the gun markets.
Griefers have to use something to grief, and most of them are not smart, so they probably go to these shops, buy good weapons, and unload on the general population. So really, the gun industry is profiting off of your misery. Can/Should anything be done about this?  |
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Carl Metropolitan
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Join date: 7 Jul 2005
Posts: 1,031
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06-20-2006 10:27
Sure--LL needs to offer the SL equivalent of a RL "concealed carry" license. Creat a program where established residents can get licenses to defend themselves and their property without being lumped in with a griefer using a free account. Licensed residents would have the right to defend their land or group land of which they are an officer, whether that land was set to "damage" or not. Their weapons would be effective on their land.
In the real world, concealed carry programs have reduced crime rates in almost every state that they have been introduced in. Why shouldn't SL give them a try? Compared to RL, there is nearly zero risk. The worst that is going to happen is that an Avatar will be teleported home. No one can die or be injured in SL. (You were trying to provoke an off-topic gun control thread, right?) |
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Doc Nielsen
Fallen...
Join date: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 1,059
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06-20-2006 10:29
The 3 day noob who put what used to be my store out of action for about 12 hours didn't need weapons - he just covered the TP points and filled the access ramps with prims...
Any one determined to grief will grief - like the old 'guns don't kill people - people kill people' argument. SL doesn't need a weapons sale ban - it needs a griefer ban. And the first stage would be to keep the scum out in the first place - too late now though - any idea how long it would take to clean this mess up? _____________________
All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
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Angel Fluffy
Very Helpful
Join date: 3 Mar 2006
Posts: 810
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06-20-2006 12:02
Why would anyone who has landowner permissions *ever* need guns?
Surely they can just buy security orbs (which are often cheaper then high-end guns, and you only need one no matter how many people you give banlist add/delete access to) instead? That's more effective : nothing can stop a TP home. It's more accurate : orbs don't "miss". It's cheaper : you only need one orb for 96 spherical meters, it works 24/7, and has space for up to 70 or so 'operators' who can edit the list - meaning you can give all your friends access to it too so they can kick out griefers too... What gun could you let landowners carry which would be more effective, accurate and cheaper then a security orb/device? |
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Io Zeno
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Join date: 1 Jun 2006
Posts: 940
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06-20-2006 12:09
Why would anyone who has landowner permissions *ever* need guns? Surely they can just buy security orbs (which are often cheaper then high-end guns) - and add the person to the orbs target list with a delay of 10 seconds before automatic TP home? Then they can add people they'd want to be able to use guns on their land to the orb's operator list.... and very quickly, you have a bunch of people with anti-griefer weapons that operate 24/7. What gun could you let landowners carry that would be more effective then a security orb or automatic TP home device? What about people who run stores, events or have public areas? They can't lock everyone out. They need to create a landowner option to ban push on their property. Or let people blast these scum off the grid without fear of getting banned themselves, since they aren't playing the griefer revolving alt game. My land, my rules. You cause trouble on my land, I have the right to blow your head off, period. |
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Angel Fluffy
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Join date: 3 Mar 2006
Posts: 810
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06-20-2006 12:36
What about people who run stores, events or have public areas? They can't lock everyone out. They need to create a landowner option to ban push on their property. Or let people blast these scum off the grid without fear of getting banned themselves, since they aren't playing the griefer revolving alt game. My land, my rules. You cause trouble on my land, I have the right to blow your head off, period. Um... I never suggested they lock everyone out. I just suggested they get an orb. Those orbs can be set to lock everyone out except people on a special authorised list, true. But I rarely see orbs set up that way. Far more common is that they ignore everyone who uses the land except people on a special 'ban' list who get auto-ejected. And a few people with orb access can just sit there and ban new griefer accounts as they are made. Ok, you sometimes have to delete old entries from the ban list... but really, guns have the exact same problem... except with guns : 1) you can't be sure the person won't come back onto your land when you're not around 2) each person who wants a gun has to pay for a copy. I agree, though, people need better push controls, as I have already argued for : Fine control of push permissions - stop griefing in a fair way - forum topic Oh, and unless you live in Texas, you do not have the RL right to blow the head of anyone who violates your land rights. You can make them leave, but I'm not sure you can draw out a gun and say "leave or I shoot you". |
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Io Zeno
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Join date: 1 Jun 2006
Posts: 940
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06-20-2006 12:43
The problem with ban lists is that griefers will just get another alt, it only takes a few moments of their busy griefing day to do so.
What I was thinking was that the idea of hiring a real security force with teeth could be implemented, if the group permissions, and LL, allowed "force in the use of self-defense". Then again, it could just turn into an exciting game of rush the castle for the griefers. In addition, many of the incidents don't even involve guns. You don't need a gun to be an annoying asshole or to scam people. Still, even though I'm far from a gun person in RL, and I'm no longer interested in it even in online games, I think that a Texas-style, my land, my rules policy is justified, if SL is going to turn Wild West. |
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Burke Prefect
Cafe Owner, Superhero
Join date: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,785
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06-20-2006 12:52
What I was thinking was that the idea of hiring a real security force with teeth could be implemented, if the group permissions, and LL, allowed "force in the use of self-defense". Please see my presently running posts in this forum about a security force. |
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Io Zeno
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Join date: 1 Jun 2006
Posts: 940
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06-20-2006 12:58
Please see my presently running posts in this forum about a security force. Well, I was already thinking of your posts, Burke.  But, as I said, this could be a double-edged sword. A real security force is also a ready made enemy for griefers to play guns with. A lot more fun than people teleporting away or just ejecting them. |
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Angelique LaFollette
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Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,595
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06-20-2006 18:22
Griefers have to use something to grief, and most of them are not smart, so they probably go to these shops, buy good weapons, and unload on the general population. So really, the gun industry is profiting off of your misery. Wow,, Realistic Game, Isn't it. Angel. |
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
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06-20-2006 18:25
The 3 day noob who put what used to be my store out of action for about 12 hours didn't need weapons - he just covered the TP points and filled the access ramps with prims... Any one determined to grief will grief - like the old 'guns don't kill people - people kill people' argument. SL doesn't need a weapons sale ban - it needs a griefer ban. And the first stage would be to keep the scum out in the first place - too late now though - any idea how long it would take to clean this mess up? Autoreturn set to one minute.. |
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Allana Dion
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Join date: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 1,230
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06-20-2006 19:06
What about people who run stores, events or have public areas? They can't lock everyone out. They need to create a landowner option to ban push on their property. I like that idea. The ability to shut off push on the land would limit a lot of less creative griefers, leaving them standing around looking stupid while I have time to eject and ban. _____________________
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Seronis Zagato
Verified Resident
Join date: 30 Aug 2005
Posts: 454
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06-20-2006 21:08
After the first post i was gonna shamelessly plug my proposal for push limitations (that I carefully spent 2 hours writting) but i see someone else already did. Woot ! Glad its appreciated by someone besides me =-)
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Kandie Matador
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Join date: 2 May 2005
Posts: 21
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06-20-2006 21:12
I agree with the weapon's *i only created an alt because of this to mostly start over in sl* but when i did, I found atm in bear lounge *Linden teliport area* was attacked by a griver wich was fireing bomb's on new people that was talking to other's *i dont know what about* but they did not seem like they was enjoying being new to sl and being bomb'd..I allso have his name but dont know if allowed to post it
Kind of annoying that people ruin sl this way |
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Ron Overdrive
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Join date: 10 Jul 2005
Posts: 1,002
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06-20-2006 21:35
Well.. lets look at the latest police blotter:
Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 Violation: Indecency: Global Standards: Group Information Region: Woolsan Description: Obscene group name, charter, titles. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 Violation: Indecency: Global Standards: Group Information Region: Ahern Description: Obscene and pornographic group name, charter, and titles. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 Violation: Community Standards: Assault, Scripted Objects Region: Teal Description: Use of weapons. Action taken: Suspended 7 days. Date: Friday, June 16, 2006 Violation: Terms of Service - Under Age Region: Ahern Description: Accounts on both the Main and Teen grids. Action taken: Suspended 14 days. Date: Thursday, June 15, 2006 Violation: Disturbing the Peace: Parcel Encroachment Region: Dubia Description: Roof extending over property line. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Thursday, June 15, 2006 Violation: Indecency: Global Standards: Group Information Region: Ahern Description: Obscene group name. Action taken: Suspended 3 days. Date: Thursday, June 15, 2006 Violation: Disturbing the Peace: Abuse of Sandbox Resources Region: Vaoetere Description: Use of trademarked materials in Second Life. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Thursday, June 15, 2006 Violation: Disturbing the Peace: Parcel Encroachment Region: Chicagon Description: Builds extending over parcel boundaries. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Thursday, June 15, 2006 Violation: Community Standards: Disturbing the Peace, Scripted Objects Region: Hundertwasser Description: Scripted prim litter. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Thursday, June 15, 2006 Violation: Terms of Service: Account Security Region: Ahern Description: Sharing password with another Resident. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Violation: Disturbing the Peace: Parcel Encroachment Region: Wetheral Description: Prims crossing property line. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Violation: Disturbing the Peace: Parcel Encroachment Region: Netherbeck Description: Tree crossing property line. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Violation: Disturbing the Peace: Parcel Encroachment Region: Disl Description: Trees crossing property line. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Violation: Disturbing the Peace: Parcel Encroachment Region: Disl Description: Trees crossing property line. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Violation: Terms of Service: Trademark Violation Region: Key West Description: Using Apple registered trademark on items. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Violation: Terms of Service: Trademark Violation Region: Holt Description: Use of real-world trademark. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Violation: Disturbing the Peace: Parcel Encroachment Region: Manduca Description: Building extends across property line. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Violation: Terms of Service: Account Security Region: — Description: Logged into another resident's account and stole L$. Action taken: Suspended 7 days. Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Violation: Terms of Service: Account Security Region: — Description: Logged into another resident's account and stole L$. Action taken: Suspended 7 days. Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Violation: Community Standards, Disturbing the Peace, Land Use Region: Hyun Description: Blocking acccess to another parcel on all four sides. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Monday, June 12, 2006 Violation: Community Standards: Disclosure, Second Life Region: Ahern Description: Quoting from chat logs in profile. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Saturday, June 10, 2006 Violation: Community Standards: Assault, Safe Area Region: ElvenVale Description: Shooting in safe area, evading land ban. Action taken: Suspended 7 days. Date: Saturday, June 10, 2006 Violation: Community Standards: Harassment, Soliciting Abuse Region: Ahern Description: Threats and soliciting attacks. Action taken: Suspended 3 days. Date: Friday, June 9, 2006 Violation: Community Standards: Harassment, Verbal Abuse Region: Morris Description: Offensive and annoying remarks. Action taken: Warning issued. Date: Friday, June 9, 2006 Violation: Terms of Service: Trademark Violation Region: Bora Description: Selling trademarked items (Apple, iPod, Microsoft, etc.). Action taken: Warning issued. Hrm.. in the past 2 1/2 weeks only 1 scripted weapon report. Its kinda hard to label scripted weapons as the number one source of griefing when looking at this. |
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Vares Solvang
It's all Relative
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
Posts: 2,235
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06-20-2006 21:59
I didn't realize I was miserable.
I think this "griefing problem" is blown way out of proportion. |
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Seronis Zagato
Verified Resident
Join date: 30 Aug 2005
Posts: 454
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06-21-2006 13:27
No.. all it means is that there wasnt enough ARs filed to build up enough "abuse points" on that account to get any action taken. If more people would file those ARs when greifing is happening more punishments can be given. Not enough people filing just means it doesnt hit a 'threat level' high enough to justify repurcusions.
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