Publicly viewable and LSL accesible Hardware Ban status?

How's this for an idea - have a field for "Hardware Banned" status. It would show whether your machine has been hardware banned within some time period - say a month.

LSL access to this field would allow land owners to automaticly eject people who have been hardware banned within the chosen time period.

Might have it show the length of suspension time also.

Rotary Fan, king of controversy.

I bow to thee.

Best. Name. Evar.

And i support this idea.

Wouldn't someone who was hardware banned be, you know, not around anymore?

If you're just talking about suspensions, I don't think they do suspensions that way. As far as I know when it comes to suspensions and the like all your accounts are treated as seperate entities.

I wasn't trying to be controversial.

People want to keep out troublemakers.

We are being given tools that let us keep out unverified accounts, but it's not really verification that is a problem. Misbehavior is what causes problems, not account age or how much you paid to LL or whether you gave them credit info.

It's annoying when controversy lovers attribute their own desire for controversy to others, making it harder to have an idea discussed on its merit free from needless drama.

Sir,

If they are banned, how would they be in SL ?

Best Regards.

Currently Bald.

You can be hardware banned for a limited time. Once the time is up, you are back in.

My suggestion was:

A ban is a BAN. It's absolute. They will never be back after a ban cause their hardware hash would show up.

http://www.answers.com/ban&r=67

What your talking about is suspension. NOT BAN. Ban is PERM.

The word "ban", in and of itself, does not intrinsically involve permanence.

I see nothing in the source cited above that suggests permanence.

Bans can be issued, and bans can be revoked.

If ones finds it of overwhelming importance to make a distinction between permanent and temporary access denial based on a hardware identifier and call the permanent one a ban and the temporary one a suspension, mentally edit the suggestion to say suspension instead of ban.

They do deny access based on hardware hash for what they say are three day suspensions.

One might have a publicly accessible "number of times banned by name" field, viewable in profiles and LSL accessible, and parcels could have a "banned threshold" field.

Griefer attacks place one, gets banned by name, place two, banned by name again. repeat.

Parcels would automatically eject people with a "banned by name" value greater than the parcel's "banned threshold" value.

Different parcel owners would set the "banned threshold" value to suit their taste.

There could be a time limit field in the parcel's info to allow parcel owners to decide, in effect, how long they want to hold a grudge about an offense they don't know the details of.

Or something vaguely like that.

The ban isn't permanent. They can access SL again after they have bought new hardware.

Way to give someone with a simple idea a hard time !

I'd find having this information available of more use than the verification information LL currently display in the profile for assessing whether I want someone anywhere near me or my property.

Whether it's a hardware ban or not, a simple confirmed abuse count would be dandy.

Forget the notion that having done the punishment one should start with a clean slate. In real life this is necessary so people can resume a constructive role in society, get a job and support themselves. SL is a luxury and entertainment for most. If you're sufficiently disruptive to be punished I don't care if you're marked for life, you can choose either to accept the fact that I personally can't be bothered to deal with you, or find another activity to indulge your leisure time in, hopefully one that doesn't induce you to inconvenience others.

A post or two up I posted a separate and distinct idea from the one in the original post, in which there would be a field in the profile that shows the number of times an account has been banned from parcels by parcel owners or their agents. Parcels could have a field that would let them set a threshold value. Avatars would not be able to enter or would be ejected from parcels if their ban value exceeded the parcel's threshhold value.

This is reminding me vaguely of the system that slashdot uses to determine whether posts are visible.

There could be a time limit beyond which the "parcel ban value" would disappear, or their could be a graduated reduction in weight applied to older bannings.

This system would make direct of use the judgement of SL users in making the decision to ban someone from their land, and not involve the Linden abuse staff or abuse reports.

Their might need to be restrictions such as - the person you ban has to be in sight, or within a certain range, or on the parcel, or have used llPushObject on someone or something in the parcel, something like that, to keep griefers from using this to ban people and thus get them banned in other places with no valid reason.

It seems to some people that LL is not doing enough to punish people who violate the ToS/CS.

So, allowing us to set a 'threshold' value which blocks accounts (or, better, hardware hashes) from being on our land, just as a ban list does...... is probably a good idea.

I assume LL have some internal system of 'negative reputation' or something - that is a number, added to an account when it is warned or suspended for anything. A numerical version of the rap sheet, basically - a score from 1 to 10, where 1 is clean and 10 is permbanned.

It'd be nice if we could query this to reject people from our land who have a penalty score over, say, 5.

Unfortunately.... I see one big problem with this system.
If LL punish offenders properly, it isn't needed.
If LL don't punish offenders properly, then they won't get the 'points' needed to trigger banning on parcels anyway.

It's a nice idea, but I suspect that it relies on LL making public some form of account rapsheets, when the very problem it's meant to address is that LL are not serious enough when it comes to punishing people and using rapsheets to determine when someone should be banned from SL.

Im trying to remember the name of a movie I saw in like 1980 for so, maybe
a bit later. It was called something like "Escape from New York" I think,
starred Kurt Russel as "Snake". Where the plot was that the whole city was
prison in the future. It had sort of a post-apocalyptic theme, I enjoyed it at the
time. Of course that was then. I hope that evoked memories for some of you.

You could always let everyone that has ever been banned back into
"prison sims" and let them try to rebuild their ethical standing to earn the right
to mix with the civil rezidents on the main grid.
Yet another idea for a game within a game. Chronic greifers could then constantly harrass the ones trying to get out. We could send first time offenders
there for short periods to see whether they really want to be greifers.

Def-toungue in cheek.

Just had another flash,

For another form of punishment on confirmed abuse.
Have a special UI interface that the convicted greifer would be required to log
into for a pre-specified number of hours to go around inworld and pick up all
the random objects left all over the place. The only tools on the interface would be completely devoted to a single task such as this. They would not even be able so see anyone else, for example.

The possibilities are quite amusing.

Let me get this straight. LL refuses to even inform those of us who filed ARs as to what the resolution was and has a strict policy of never naming names in the police blotter. They've stated very clearly that they are protecting the privacy of everyone by keeping such offenses between LL and the subscriber.

And you want to publish the information in the profile? What if the person was suspended for planting trees over their property line - not likely, I know, but there are a variety of reasons someone could get suspended which do not necessarily reflect on the offender's character. You want them branded just like the average griefer?

Bad Idea of the Day Award, and it's still early.

From the Police Blotter:

Date: Monday, June 26, 2006
Violation: Disturbing the Peace: Parcel Encroachment
Region: Cezanne
Description: Trees sticking over the parcel boundaries.
Action taken: Warning issued.

Just a warning... but how many "warnings" are there before a suspension?

Lewis

Funnily enough, going back about a week, a number of the entries on the Police Blotter were for trees over property lines and the like.

And yes it's a bad idea.

edit: Lewis beat me to it. I stopped to get pizza out of the oven halfway through posting.

That's probably reportable soon.

Whilst, of course, all the big problems in-world get ignored.

Lewis

OK that made me laugh.

And yes, I raised an eyebrow too over those.

Newly posted by: Troll Linden
Subject: New Community Standards, effective immediately.

We don't care if you orbit everyone in the sim with a push gun... it doesn't matter if your self replicating flexiprim genitalia brings the grid to its knees... teens on the main grid, paedophiles on the teen grid - just stay out of trouble so we don't notice you and have to do anything... we don't even care if you mail a turd to us... but do not, ever, overcook a pizza.

Lewis

I am so in trouble then. I left it too long. The crusts are all burnt.