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SuezanneC Baskerville

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07-08-2006 07:37

Perhaps there should be a "ban from land" feature added to the forums in appropriate places, such as, say, next to the bad post report button.

This might be a way to increase conversions from basic to premium.

Some folks, well, might be worth buying some land just so you can ban 'em from it.

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Tsukasa Karuna

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07-08-2006 08:22

I support your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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Zoe Llewelyn

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Join date: 15 Jun 2004

Posts: 502

07-08-2006 08:26

I must admit I have more names on my island ban list based on totally offensive forum habits of some individuals than I do bans based on inworld actions. Some people here I find so offensive I refuse to subject my customers to them if they should manage to wander onto my island. I would love a button here to automatically add someone to my ban lists...though making it that easy I expect I would cap out my 50 resident ban quota rather fast from the forums alone. =P

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Lupus Delacroix

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07-08-2006 09:09

too bad LL didn't write this forum software =O

SuezanneC Baskerville

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07-08-2006 09:41

From: Lupus Delacroix

too bad LL didn't write this forum software =O

The forum software is modifiable, I believe.

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Chronic Skronski

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07-08-2006 11:40

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

The forum software is modifiable, I believe.

This is correct.

"The Software source code may be altered (at your risk)"

http://www.vbulletin.com/order/license_agreement.php

Cocoanut Cookie

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Join date: 26 Jan 2006

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07-08-2006 12:09

From: Zoe Llewelyn

I must admit I have more names on my island ban list based on totally offensive forum habits of some individuals than I do bans based on inworld actions. Some people here I find so offensive I refuse to subject my customers to them if they should manage to wander onto my island. I would love a button here to automatically add someone to my ban lists...though making it that easy I expect I would cap out my 50 resident ban quota rather fast from the forums alone. =P

Woah! You actually do that? Preemptive banning? Such a thing would never occur to me!

First because nobody has ever bothered me on my land, or in the game anywhere, no matter how much they disagree with me on the forums. And secondly, because if someone wanted to come talk with me about something, I would certainly want to hear what they had to say. I use banning only rarely, when someone has come and bombed or something like that. And that's never been anybody I already knew from the forums.

coco

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Lewis Nerd

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07-08-2006 12:45

From: Cocoanut Cookie

Woah! You actually do that? Preemptive banning? Such a thing would never occur to me!

Most civilised places have "innocent until proven guilty" as the first rule of law.

This, and security systems, prove that many players of SL are not civilised.

Lewis

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pandastrong Fairplay

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07-08-2006 13:13

From: Lewis Nerd

Most civilised places have "innocent until proven guilty" as the first rule of law.

This, and security systems, prove that many players of SL are not civilised.

Lewis

I just banned you from my land.

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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07-08-2006 13:14

I use preemptive banning in real life. It is called a deadbolt.

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Zoe Llewelyn

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Join date: 15 Jun 2004

Posts: 502

07-08-2006 13:39

I do not and never have once "pre-emptively" banned anyone. I am very much against banning for no reason at all...which is why I dislike the talk around recently of banning based on avatar payment status...THAT is pre=emptive banning, and something I refuse to do. I have banned people who did indeed DO something here on the forums that I found to be highly offensive to the point that I refused the services of my stores and land to them. That is not pre-emptive, that is after an offense.

Some people have the odd idea that forums (which are nothing more than a conversation) are somehow exempted from real life and not a part of it. That they can offend, anger and hurt people in a forum without consequences. I find that idea not only illogical and odd, but slightly dissociative myself. Forums ARE RL. Forums are no different than any other form of communication or conversation, spoken, written, face to face or at a distance. Its a conversation. If you hurt or offend me enough on a forum...yes, I will not want to subject myself to you any more. Its not different than excluding someone who offended you at work from a party you are throwing for co-workers. If someone upsets you or hurts you, why would you subject yourself to more of it?

Mind you I am speaking of people have have actually managed to offend me here...which is not easy to do. This does not include people who simply hold different opinions from me. I am about as open minded and accepting of new ideas as people can be. But if someone does or says, or expresses a view or espouses an action that I find so utterly repugnant that it upsets me...yes, I have banned them for that. Doesn't sound that odd to me to not want someone of that sort to come by your home.

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Cocoanut Cookie

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Join date: 26 Jan 2006

Posts: 1,741

07-08-2006 14:07

From: Zoe Llewelyn

I do not and never have once "pre-emptively" banned anyone. I am very much against banning for no reason at all...which is why I dislike the talk around recently of banning based on avatar payment status...THAT is pre=emptive banning, and something I refuse to do. I have banned people who did indeed DO something here on the forums that I found to be highly offensive to the point that I refused the services of my stores and land to them. That is not pre-emptive, that is after an offense.

Some people have the odd idea that forums (which are nothing more than a conversation) are somehow exempted from real life and not a part of it. That they can offend, anger and hurt people in a forum without consequences. I find that idea not only illogical and odd, but slightly dissociative myself. Forums ARE RL. Forums are no different than any other form of communication or conversation, spoken, written, face to face or at a distance. Its a conversation. If you hurt or offend me enough on a forum...yes, I will not want to subject myself to you any more. Its not different than excluding someone who offended you at work from a party you are throwing for co-workers. If someone upsets you or hurts you, why would you subject yourself to more of it?

Mind you I am speaking of people have have actually managed to offend me here...which is not easy to do. This does not include people who simply hold different opinions from me. I am about as open minded and accepting of new ideas as people can be. But if someone does or says, or expresses a view or espouses an action that I find so utterly repugnant that it upsets me...yes, I have banned them for that. Doesn't sound that odd to me to not want someone of that sort to come by your home.

Well, if I had that idea, my ban list would have been full by now.

Anyway, all those people aren't exactly eager to GET to my home.

I agree with you about using the new verfied/non-verified system to ban whole groups of people. I understand it is to give purveyors of adult entertainment, products, and activities a layer of protection in the event of a lawsuit for providing that to teens.

But I don't think the overall effects are worth it.

coco

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Joannah Cramer

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Join date: 12 Apr 2006

Posts: 1,539

07-08-2006 14:28

From: Zoe Llewelyn

If someone upsets you or hurts you, why would you subject yourself to more of it?

Maybe because any compromise --if possible at all-- can only be achieved through the act of communication, in spite of differences and even distaste... and not through refusal of such?

I've read an article recently sort of touching this issue. Now, the author of that blog likes to go overboard for the sake of dramatic emphasis... but still, he does have a point. And the prospect of 'community' that really is a series of groups which stick only with these thinking like themselves, and muting out anything different, when taken to extreme... _is_ pretty frightening. Especially when such 'selection' is performed basing on things like forum threads which are very poor at conveying people's actual intention and leave little room for any sort of clarification...

(this is all generic thoughts btw, not aimed specifically at you or anyone ^^;;)

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SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	07-08-2006 07:37 Perhaps there should be a "ban from land" feature added to the forums in appropriate places, such as, say, next to the bad post report button. This might be a way to increase conversions from basic to premium. Some folks, well, might be worth buying some land just so you can ban 'em from it. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Tsukasa Karuna Master of all things desu Join date: 30 Jun 2004 Posts: 370	07-08-2006 08:22 I support your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. _____________________ ".. who as of 5 seconds ago is no longer the deliverator.."
Zoe Llewelyn Asylum Inmate Join date: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 502	07-08-2006 08:26 I must admit I have more names on my island ban list based on totally offensive forum habits of some individuals than I do bans based on inworld actions. Some people here I find so offensive I refuse to subject my customers to them if they should manage to wander onto my island. I would love a button here to automatically add someone to my ban lists...though making it that easy I expect I would cap out my 50 resident ban quota rather fast from the forums alone. =P _____________________
Lupus Delacroix Wyrm Raider Join date: 3 May 2006 Posts: 695	07-08-2006 09:09 too bad LL didn't write this forum software =O
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	07-08-2006 09:41 From: Lupus Delacroix too bad LL didn't write this forum software =O The forum software is modifiable, I believe. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Chronic Skronski SL Live Musician Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 997	07-08-2006 11:40 From: SuezanneC Baskerville The forum software is modifiable, I believe. This is correct. "The Software source code may be altered (at your risk)" http://www.vbulletin.com/order/license_agreement.php
Cocoanut Cookie Registered User Join date: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,741	07-08-2006 12:09 From: Zoe Llewelyn I must admit I have more names on my island ban list based on totally offensive forum habits of some individuals than I do bans based on inworld actions. Some people here I find so offensive I refuse to subject my customers to them if they should manage to wander onto my island. I would love a button here to automatically add someone to my ban lists...though making it that easy I expect I would cap out my 50 resident ban quota rather fast from the forums alone. =P Woah! You actually do that? Preemptive banning? Such a thing would never occur to me! First because nobody has ever bothered me on my land, or in the game anywhere, no matter how much they disagree with me on the forums. And secondly, because if someone wanted to come talk with me about something, I would certainly want to hear what they had to say. I use banning only rarely, when someone has come and bombed or something like that. And that's never been anybody I already knew from the forums. coco _____________________
Lewis Nerd Nerd by name and nature! Join date: 9 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,431	07-08-2006 12:45 From: Cocoanut Cookie Woah! You actually do that? Preemptive banning? Such a thing would never occur to me! Most civilised places have "innocent until proven guilty" as the first rule of law. This, and security systems, prove that many players of SL are not civilised. Lewis _____________________ Second Life Stratics - your new premier resource for all things Second Life. Free to join, sign up today! Pocket Protector Projects - Rosieri 90,234,84 - building and landscaping services
pandastrong Fairplay all bout the BANG POW NOW Join date: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,920	07-08-2006 13:13 From: Lewis Nerd Most civilised places have "innocent until proven guilty" as the first rule of law. This, and security systems, prove that many players of SL are not civilised. Lewis I just banned you from my land. _____________________ "Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game." ~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media "That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline." ~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	07-08-2006 13:14 I use preemptive banning in real life. It is called a deadbolt. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Zoe Llewelyn Asylum Inmate Join date: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 502	07-08-2006 13:39 I do not and never have once "pre-emptively" banned anyone. I am very much against banning for no reason at all...which is why I dislike the talk around recently of banning based on avatar payment status...THAT is pre=emptive banning, and something I refuse to do. I have banned people who did indeed DO something here on the forums that I found to be highly offensive to the point that I refused the services of my stores and land to them. That is not pre-emptive, that is after an offense. Some people have the odd idea that forums (which are nothing more than a conversation) are somehow exempted from real life and not a part of it. That they can offend, anger and hurt people in a forum without consequences. I find that idea not only illogical and odd, but slightly dissociative myself. Forums ARE RL. Forums are no different than any other form of communication or conversation, spoken, written, face to face or at a distance. Its a conversation. If you hurt or offend me enough on a forum...yes, I will not want to subject myself to you any more. Its not different than excluding someone who offended you at work from a party you are throwing for co-workers. If someone upsets you or hurts you, why would you subject yourself to more of it? Mind you I am speaking of people have have actually managed to offend me here...which is not easy to do. This does not include people who simply hold different opinions from me. I am about as open minded and accepting of new ideas as people can be. But if someone does or says, or expresses a view or espouses an action that I find so utterly repugnant that it upsets me...yes, I have banned them for that. Doesn't sound that odd to me to not want someone of that sort to come by your home. _____________________
Cocoanut Cookie Registered User Join date: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,741	07-08-2006 14:07 From: Zoe Llewelyn I do not and never have once "pre-emptively" banned anyone. I am very much against banning for no reason at all...which is why I dislike the talk around recently of banning based on avatar payment status...THAT is pre=emptive banning, and something I refuse to do. I have banned people who did indeed DO something here on the forums that I found to be highly offensive to the point that I refused the services of my stores and land to them. That is not pre-emptive, that is after an offense. Some people have the odd idea that forums (which are nothing more than a conversation) are somehow exempted from real life and not a part of it. That they can offend, anger and hurt people in a forum without consequences. I find that idea not only illogical and odd, but slightly dissociative myself. Forums ARE RL. Forums are no different than any other form of communication or conversation, spoken, written, face to face or at a distance. Its a conversation. If you hurt or offend me enough on a forum...yes, I will not want to subject myself to you any more. Its not different than excluding someone who offended you at work from a party you are throwing for co-workers. If someone upsets you or hurts you, why would you subject yourself to more of it? Mind you I am speaking of people have have actually managed to offend me here...which is not easy to do. This does not include people who simply hold different opinions from me. I am about as open minded and accepting of new ideas as people can be. But if someone does or says, or expresses a view or espouses an action that I find so utterly repugnant that it upsets me...yes, I have banned them for that. Doesn't sound that odd to me to not want someone of that sort to come by your home. Well, if I had that idea, my ban list would have been full by now. Anyway, all those people aren't exactly eager to GET to my home. I agree with you about using the new verfied/non-verified system to ban whole groups of people. I understand it is to give purveyors of adult entertainment, products, and activities a layer of protection in the event of a lawsuit for providing that to teens. But I don't think the overall effects are worth it. coco _____________________
Joannah Cramer Registered User Join date: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1,539	07-08-2006 14:28 From: Zoe Llewelyn If someone upsets you or hurts you, why would you subject yourself to more of it? Maybe because any compromise --if possible at all-- can only be achieved through the act of communication, in spite of differences and even distaste... and not through refusal of such? I've read an article recently sort of touching this issue. Now, the author of that blog likes to go overboard for the sake of dramatic emphasis... but still, he does have a point. And the prospect of 'community' that really is a series of groups which stick only with these thinking like themselves, and muting out anything different, when taken to extreme... _is_ pretty frightening. Especially when such 'selection' is performed basing on things like forum threads which are very poor at conveying people's actual intention and leave little room for any sort of clarification... (this is all generic thoughts btw, not aimed specifically at you or anyone ^^;;)

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