Senate Bill May Ban Streaming MP3s
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SignpostMarv Martin
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04-28-2006 07:18
This arrived along with other stuff in the Slashdot feed this morning: Senate Bill May Ban Streaming MP3s (Slashdot post)Just wondering how this would affect Second Life? Would all Audio Streaming be removed ? Would only MP3 Streaming be removed ? (e.g. would Ogg vorbis be left alone ?) Would Second Life have to support compliant audio formats that would most likely cause problems with the planned cross platform nature of Second Life ? Does this also affect the streaming video ? Other links straight from the post: source of the Slashdot post (EFF) PDF linked by Slashdot article (Senate Bill S.2644)
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SignpostMarv Martin
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04-29-2006 23:59
Is it that nobody knows or nobody cares ?
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Jeffrey Gomez
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04-30-2006 00:35
Ehh. Just the fact this sort of thing is so totally unenforcable as to be moot.
Our "representatives" have been looking for a way to make their corporate sponsors happy on these issues for about the... oh, last eight "New Bill in Congress" scares. Each one is usually struck down faster than it can be formulated, though there have been a few that have slipped through the cracks.
Fun times.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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04-30-2006 08:02
LOL oooOOoooh the mp3 police 
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04-30-2006 08:12
Diane Feinstein had better not take my Radio Paradise away from me.
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Pyrii Akula
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04-30-2006 09:08
As I said in the other post made about this in the General forum, totally un-enforcable, they've already tried to charge royalties for streaming audio (The RIAA that is), that hasn't put the slightest dent in it as nobody pays.
Just more scare tactics.
Oh and they're "Forcing" people to use WMA or Real broadcasts, both of which are piss poor quality, no-one will like it, also I think Nullsoft will have something to say, now they're backed up by AOL Time Warner, they might have some power if this ever does get past someone's stupid nose. He might be too busy putting food on his people. And this would only be streaming licensed music.
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Ketra Saarinen
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04-30-2006 09:36
It's depressing to think that I'll probably die before we have some good technology laws on the books. We need politicians who actually UNDERSTAND the technology, not just have someone tell them what they should think. Unfortunately, we'll have to wait until they all die off before there will be politicians who have grown up with technology and understand what their decisions will impact.
I used to think that my generation would help as they entered office, but really, I think there's more luddites than technophiles in my generation. So we have to wait for the next generation or the one to follow.
*sigh* Too many morons with too much power.
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SignpostMarv Martin
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05-02-2006 06:05
From: Pyrii Akula Nullsoft will have something to say, now they're backed up by AOL Time Warner, they might have some power if this ever does get past someone's stupid nose. Please take into account the following: the original Nullsoft team does not existthe guy who did a lot of work on winamp now does foobar2000Icecast + Oddsock software kick Shoutcasts' outdated butt. Also note the spelling error on the wiki page for Ogg Vorbis support. Put this altogether and basically you get a company that'll only be able to bring money to the table. ------ Could we have an official Linden Comment on this please ?
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Magnum Serpentine
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05-02-2006 07:52
Time for some senators to be voted out of office
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Trader1 Whiplash
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Does Anyone Here Bother To Find Out Facts Before Alarming The Masses?
05-02-2006 08:18
READ THE BILL!!! S.2644 Title: A bill to amend the Communications Act of 1934 with respect to the carriage of direct broadcast satellite television signals by satellite carriers to consumers in rural areas, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen Ensign, John [NV] (introduced 7/13/2004) Cosponsors (1) Latest Major Action: 12/7/2004 By Senator McCain from Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation filed written report. Report No. 108-427. Senate Reports: 108-427 This bill provides new rule and exemptionf to SATELLITE TELEVISON PROVIDERS BROADCASTING TO RURAL AREAS SUCH AS ALASKA. Thank you SignpostMarv.. for stirring up sh*t with totally misinformed statements! I can't help but wonder if your related to Chicken Little
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Trader1 Whiplash
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05-02-2006 08:28
I guess that shut everyone up on this thread.....
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Magnum Serpentine
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05-02-2006 08:29
From: Trader1 Whiplash READ THE BILL!!! S.2644 Title: A bill to amend the Communications Act of 1934 with respect to the carriage of direct broadcast satellite television signals by satellite carriers to consumers in rural areas, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen Ensign, John [NV] (introduced 7/13/2004) Cosponsors (1) Latest Major Action: 12/7/2004 By Senator McCain from Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation filed written report. Report No. 108-427. Senate Reports: 108-427 This bill provides new rule and exemptionf to SATELLITE TELEVISON PROVIDERS BROADCASTING TO RURAL AREAS SUCH AS ALASKA. Thank you SignpostMarv.. for stirring up sh*t with totally misinformed statements! I can't help but wonder if your related to Chicken Little I still say, any senator that even thinks about helping the RIAA or MPAA should be thrown out of office
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Burke Prefect
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05-02-2006 08:31
1.) Congress makes a new bill that vaguely covers alot of crap. 2.) People reas this this and go OMGWTFBBQ without really thinking about it. 3.) Someone posts in SL forums about how this will cripple the interweb.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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05-02-2006 08:32
From: Magnum Serpentine I still say, any senator that even thinks about helping the RIAA or MPAA should be thrown out of office Because people have no right to protect their property, right?
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05-02-2006 09:00
From: Trader1 Whiplash I guess that shut everyone up on this thread..... Um. No. That's not for this Congress, hence the date being 2004. You do realise that there can be more than one bill called S.2644, don't you? Try using the search engine properly.
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05-02-2006 09:14
From: Trader1 Whiplash I guess that shut everyone up on this thread..... OoOoOo, a guest?
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SignpostMarv Martin
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Does anyone here bother reading all the links provided ?
05-02-2006 09:20
From: Trader1 Whiplash READ THE BILL!!!
This bill provides new rule and exemptionf to SATELLITE TELEVISON PROVIDERS BROADCASTING TO RURAL AREAS SUCH AS ALASKA. Thank you SignpostMarv.. for stirring up sh*t with totally misinformed statements! I can't help but wonder if your related to Chicken Little From: Burke Prefect 2.) People reas this this and go OMGWTFBBQ without really thinking about it. 3.) Someone posts in SL forums about how this will cripple the interweb. From: SignpostMarv Martin Just wondering how this would affect Second Life? Do your research before attempting to debunk a post.  If you're not a qualified member of the legal profession, please refrain from making poorly informed comments regarding the specific sections of the PERFORM act. Please note how the original post was a source of reference material so people would know where the questions came from, not an  OMGWTF  post. relink to EFF From: Electronic Frontier Foundation The Washington Post reports that Senators Feinstein (D-Cal.) and Graham (R-S.C.) have introduced S. 2644, dubbed the PERFORM Act, that is aimed at punishing satellite radio for offering its subscribers devices capable of recording off the air.
Buried in the bill, however, is a provision that would effectively require music webcasters to use DRM-laden streaming formats
From: Electronic Frontier Foundation Today, webcasters that want to transmit major label music are entitled to do so under a statutory license (administered by SoundExchange) set out in section 114(d) of the Copyright Act. So long as they follow the rules and pay a royalty, webcasters can play whatever music they like, using whatever streaming format they like.
Under the current law, webcasters are forbidden from helping their listeners record the webcasts, and are required to use DRM only if the format includes DRM. From: Electronic Frontier Foundat If the PERFORM Act becomes law, webcasters who use the statutory SoundExchange licenses to play music would have to give up MP3 streaming in favor of a DRM-restricted, proprietary formats that impose restrictions on any recordings made.
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Corvus Drake
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05-02-2006 09:26
Um, when I stream, I use music I already illegally pirated off the internet anyway.
So....why would I care?
At the worst, this could mean that LL has to limit the permitted filetypes, and even that's sketchy, as most laws IRL reach the land of "WTF?" in SL.
Not worried about it.
But yes, RIAA and MPAA must die. Not because you shouldn't protect your own property, but because anyone who sues a 12 year old girl to "set an example" needs to be dragged into the street and shot.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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05-02-2006 09:32
From: Corvus Drake Um, when I stream, I use music I already illegally pirated off the internet anyway.
So....why would I care? You are not everyone. Many people stream perfectly legally.
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Harris Hare
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05-02-2006 09:34
Anyone with a computer can download software that will record any sound/music their computer produces reguardless of what format it's in. DRM doen't work.
At most, this just makes it slightly less convienant while at the same time supporting closed standards. I hope these senators get 50,000 emails telling them what dumbasses they are.
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Corvus Drake
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05-02-2006 09:38
Yes, but I'd say the majority of the technologically savvy unabashedly pirate MP3s. I only buy a CD after I've heard the music and want to support the band with the benefit of better sound, or album art.
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Harris Hare
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05-02-2006 09:49
From: Corvus Drake Yes, but I'd say the majority of the technologically savvy unabashedly pirate MP3s. I only buy a CD after I've heard the music and want to support the band with the benefit of better sound, or album art. That has nothing to do with the format. MP3 was just the early favorite and caught on. It could just have easily been OGG or WMA or something else. The point here is that these ill-informed senators think by forcing people to use one format over another, they'll stop piracy. I'm saying that even though MP3 can't DRM and WMA can, DRM doesn't work so the entire idea is bunk.
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SignpostMarv Martin
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05-05-2006 13:41
After having some time to do some research and think on things, I don't think Second Life as a service will be affected at all, since Second Life doesn't act as a broadcast server, only as a streaming client.
The most adverse affect I can see of this is that the client would support streaming if DRM able audio. Which I don't think will happen.
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05-05-2006 16:22
From: SignpostMarv Martin After having some time to do some research and think on things, I don't think Second Life as a service will be affected at all, since Second Life doesn't act as a broadcast server, only as a streaming client. You give RIAA/MPAA way too much credit. They can throw so many buzzwords around, you'd think the family toaster was an internet file server.
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05-05-2006 18:30
From: Ketra Saarinen It's depressing to think that I'll probably die before we have some good technology laws on the books. We need politicians who actually UNDERSTAND the technology, not just have someone tell them what they should think. Unfortunately, we'll have to wait until they all die off before there will be politicians who have grown up with technology and understand what their decisions will impact.
I used to think that my generation would help as they entered office, but really, I think there's more luddites than technophiles in my generation. So we have to wait for the next generation or the one to follow.
*sigh* Too many morons with too much power. I SO agree with you. Does anyone think these 50-80+ yr old politicians know every detail of technology? I cant even get my 60 yr old father to figure out how to use a mouse, much less explain MP3s to him. I've also encountered others who're under 30 and still think the Internet is for checking Email, the internet has 2 providers: AOL & MSN, "All Your Base Are Belong to Us" means nothing to them. The world needs better technology education I think.
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