Second Life Forums Archive - Numbers, statements (Reuben @ SXSW)

AJ DaSilva

woz ere

Join date: 15 Jun 2005

Posts: 1,993

03-15-2006 04:58

Tony's collecting stuff from conferences again:
http://www.secretlair.com/index.php?/clickableculture/entry/notes_how_to_be_a_virtual_world_entrepreneur/

Only skimmed it so far, but most interesting statement's been:

From: someone

next month LL will allow "anyone to become their own Linden Lab"

Moopf Murray

Moopfmerising

Join date: 7 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,448

03-15-2006 05:06

Yes, this one's also interesting:

From: someone

- LL is in the process of creating a transactional system to facilitate web-based financial transactions

Hello SLX and SLB? You listening

_____________________

Moopf Murray

Moopfmerising

Join date: 7 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,448

03-15-2006 05:08

Wow, and reopening an old wound:

From: someone

LL has a few cardinal rules. one is that we will not compete with our residents. Gaming Open Market (GOM) was a case where they were taking a 3% cut of transactions. when they started, transactions were infrequent and in small amounts... late last year the volume was $100k per day... the bind we were in was that these two guys (GOM) weren't making the service trustworthy and work well... we tried to buy them... our final recourse was to introduce a competing product

I've bolded the important part. That is so far from my, and I think many other people's, experiences of GOM.

_____________________

AJ DaSilva

woz ere

Join date: 15 Jun 2005

Posts: 1,993

03-15-2006 05:56

From: someone

- a sim-crashing "nuke" sold for $400 USD [it's a weapon that causes a denial of service attack]

Riiiight. If it's a bugged asset, I could almost see that. Otherwise it's just fucking stupid, they're ridiculously easy to make.

Merwan Marker

Booring...

Join date: 28 Jan 2004

Posts: 4,706

03-15-2006 06:01

Was also talked about at this tread - where Ricky from GOM had some words:

RS at CC

_____________________

Don't Worry, Be Happy - Meher Baba

Moopf Murray

Moopfmerising

Join date: 7 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,448

03-15-2006 06:01

Excuse my ignorance, but who is Peter Ludlow?

_____________________

AJ DaSilva

woz ere

Join date: 15 Jun 2005

Posts: 1,993

03-15-2006 06:03

From: Moopf Murray

Excuse my ignorance, but who is Peter Ludlow?

One of those "clever dudes".

Merwan Marker

Booring...

Join date: 28 Jan 2004

Posts: 4,706

03-15-2006 06:04

Google PL -

"Second Life Future Salon: The Second Life Herald's Peter Ludlow ...
“If Peter Ludlow is a journalist, then I’ma railroad tycoon whenever I play ... Enter Peter Ludlow, AKA -XXXXX- in Second Life, founder of the Second ...
slfuturesalon.blogs.com/second_ life_future_salon/2005/06/peter_ludlow_th.html - 39k"

_____________________

Don't Worry, Be Happy - Meher Baba

Merwan Marker

Booring...

Join date: 28 Jan 2004

Posts: 4,706

03-15-2006 06:04

opps - did i just screw up????

_____________________

Don't Worry, Be Happy - Meher Baba

Moopf Murray

Moopfmerising

Join date: 7 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,448

03-15-2006 06:06

From: Merwan Marker

Was also talked about at this tread - where Ricky from GOM had some words:

RS at CC

Thanks for pointing that thread out Merwan, hadn't seen it. At times LL has too many mouths and not enough brains.

_____________________

FlipperPA Peregrine

Magically Delicious!

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,703

03-15-2006 06:11

Its an interesting read. Peter Ludlow is Urizenus Sklar, founder of the Second Life Herald. And yes, we're listening.

Regards,

-Flip

_____________________

Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company
Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!

Moopf Murray

Moopfmerising

Join date: 7 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,448

03-15-2006 06:18

From: FlipperPA Peregrine

Its an interesting read. Peter Ludlow is Urizenus Sklar, founder of the Second Life Herald. And yes, we're listening.

Regards,

-Flip

So have LL spoke to you about it then? I mean, why created a web-based financial transactional system if they don't intend to use it. And the most obvious use is running a web based store, isn't it?

_____________________

FlipperPA Peregrine

Magically Delicious!

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,703

03-15-2006 06:20

GOM was great, and the two who ran it were beyond reproach.

HOWEVER, please note that that is NOT a quote from Reuben, its a note hastily taken during a panel.

From: Tony Walsh

Update: The following notes are not direct quotations of what was said during the panel, except where explicitly marked. Furthermore, the notes do not represent the entirety of what was discussed during the panel, merely what I had the time to record. This means that some portions of the discussion are missing, which is why these are called "notes" and not a "transcription." I have added links in the panel notes to further comments by panelists Steiger and Ludlow.

Please also note Reuben's comment to Tony:

From: Reuben Linden

Tony,

The Q&A after this panel was a good, free-flowing discussion, and I haven't reviewed a transcript of what everybody said. However, I've received a question about whether I made statements disparaging the professionalism of Gaming Open Market and its operators.

This came up in the context of explaining virtual currency to a general audience I was speaking off the cuff about both real and hypothetical examples. I'd like to
state very clearly that I had no intention of disparaging Gaming Open Market or the guys behind it, Jamie and Tom, and I am sorry if my
comments could be interpreted otherwise.

Regards,

-Flip

_____________________

Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company
Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!

Moopf Murray

Moopfmerising

Join date: 7 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,448

03-15-2006 06:29

From: FlipperPA Peregrine

Please also note Reuben's comment to Tony:

Where he does not say he was misquoted, but makes excuses for what he said?

_____________________

AJ DaSilva

woz ere

Join date: 15 Jun 2005

Posts: 1,993

03-15-2006 06:32

From: Moopf Murray

So have LL spoke to you about it then? I mean, why created a web-based financial transactional system if they don't intend to use it. And the most obvious use is running a web based store, isn't it?

More likely it's so that transactions can be handled though in-world web pages when HTML on a prim comes in.

Moopf Murray

Moopfmerising

Join date: 7 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,448

03-15-2006 06:38

From: AJ DaSilva

More likely it's so that transactions can be handled though in-world web pages when HTML on a prim comes in.

Maybe

But who'll own the web pages that do it?

_____________________

AJ DaSilva

woz ere

Join date: 15 Jun 2005

Posts: 1,993

03-15-2006 06:42

From: Moopf Murray

Maybe

But who'll own the web pages that do it?

Depends how it's implimented. 'Tis all up in the air at the moment.

Even if the confirmation page is stored on LL servers, it's still not going to be LL running an online store. It might make it slightly easier for more people to run online stores, but probably not by much.

Moopf Murray

Moopfmerising

Join date: 7 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,448

03-15-2006 06:44

From: AJ DaSilva

Even if the confirmation page is stored on LL servers, it's still not going to be LL running an online store. It might make it slightly easier for more people to run online stores, but probably not by much.

I'll make a wager on that, if you like

I predict that LL will run an online store.

_____________________

AJ DaSilva

woz ere

Join date: 15 Jun 2005

Posts: 1,993

03-15-2006 06:46

From: Moopf Murray

I'll make a wager on that, if you like

I predict that LL will run an online store.

Why? I can't see any advantage for them in doing that.

FlipperPA Peregrine

Magically Delicious!

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,703

03-15-2006 06:51

From: Moopf Murray

Where he does not say he was misquoted, but makes excuses for what he said?

I don't think its necessary at all for him to say that, seeing as Tony specifically said that nothing in his original blog entry was a quote; just notes.

Regards,

-Flip

_____________________

Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company
Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!

Numbers, statements (Reuben @ SXSW)
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	03-15-2006 04:58 Tony's collecting stuff from conferences again: http://www.secretlair.com/index.php?/clickableculture/entry/notes_how_to_be_a_virtual_world_entrepreneur/ Only skimmed it so far, but most interesting statement's been: From: someone next month LL will allow "anyone to become their own Linden Lab"
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	03-15-2006 05:06 Yes, this one's also interesting: From: someone - LL is in the process of creating a transactional system to facilitate web-based financial transactions Hello SLX and SLB? You listening _____________________
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	03-15-2006 05:08 Wow, and reopening an old wound: From: someone LL has a few cardinal rules. one is that we will not compete with our residents. Gaming Open Market (GOM) was a case where they were taking a 3% cut of transactions. when they started, transactions were infrequent and in small amounts... late last year the volume was $100k per day... the bind we were in was that these two guys (GOM) weren't making the service trustworthy and work well... we tried to buy them... our final recourse was to introduce a competing product I've bolded the important part. That is so far from my, and I think many other people's, experiences of GOM. _____________________
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	03-15-2006 05:56 From: someone - a sim-crashing "nuke" sold for $400 USD [it's a weapon that causes a denial of service attack] Riiiight. If it's a bugged asset, I could almost see that. Otherwise it's just fucking stupid, they're ridiculously easy to make.
Merwan Marker Booring... Join date: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,706	03-15-2006 06:01 Was also talked about at this tread - where Ricky from GOM had some words: RS at CC _____________________ Don't Worry, Be Happy - Meher Baba
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	03-15-2006 06:01 Excuse my ignorance, but who is Peter Ludlow? _____________________
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	03-15-2006 06:03 From: Moopf Murray Excuse my ignorance, but who is Peter Ludlow? One of those "clever dudes".
Merwan Marker Booring... Join date: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,706	03-15-2006 06:04 Google PL - "Second Life Future Salon: The Second Life Herald's Peter Ludlow ... “If Peter Ludlow is a journalist, then I’ma railroad tycoon whenever I play ... Enter Peter Ludlow, AKA -XXXXX- in Second Life, founder of the Second ... slfuturesalon.blogs.com/second_ life_future_salon/2005/06/peter_ludlow_th.html - 39k" _____________________ Don't Worry, Be Happy - Meher Baba
Merwan Marker Booring... Join date: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,706	03-15-2006 06:04 opps - did i just screw up???? _____________________ Don't Worry, Be Happy - Meher Baba
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	03-15-2006 06:06 From: Merwan Marker Was also talked about at this tread - where Ricky from GOM had some words: RS at CC Thanks for pointing that thread out Merwan, hadn't seen it. At times LL has too many mouths and not enough brains. _____________________
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	03-15-2006 06:11 Its an interesting read. Peter Ludlow is Urizenus Sklar, founder of the Second Life Herald. And yes, we're listening. Regards, -Flip _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	03-15-2006 06:18 From: FlipperPA Peregrine Its an interesting read. Peter Ludlow is Urizenus Sklar, founder of the Second Life Herald. And yes, we're listening. Regards, -Flip So have LL spoke to you about it then? I mean, why created a web-based financial transactional system if they don't intend to use it. And the most obvious use is running a web based store, isn't it? _____________________
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	03-15-2006 06:20 GOM was great, and the two who ran it were beyond reproach. HOWEVER, please note that that is NOT a quote from Reuben, its a note hastily taken during a panel. From: Tony Walsh Update: The following notes are not direct quotations of what was said during the panel, except where explicitly marked. Furthermore, the notes do not represent the entirety of what was discussed during the panel, merely what I had the time to record. This means that some portions of the discussion are missing, which is why these are called "notes" and not a "transcription." I have added links in the panel notes to further comments by panelists Steiger and Ludlow. Please also note Reuben's comment to Tony: From: Reuben Linden Tony, The Q&A after this panel was a good, free-flowing discussion, and I haven't reviewed a transcript of what everybody said. However, I've received a question about whether I made statements disparaging the professionalism of Gaming Open Market and its operators. This came up in the context of explaining virtual currency to a general audience I was speaking off the cuff about both real and hypothetical examples. I'd like to state very clearly that I had no intention of disparaging Gaming Open Market or the guys behind it, Jamie and Tom, and I am sorry if my comments could be interpreted otherwise. Regards, -Flip _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	03-15-2006 06:29 From: FlipperPA Peregrine Please also note Reuben's comment to Tony: Where he does not say he was misquoted, but makes excuses for what he said? _____________________
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	03-15-2006 06:32 From: Moopf Murray So have LL spoke to you about it then? I mean, why created a web-based financial transactional system if they don't intend to use it. And the most obvious use is running a web based store, isn't it? More likely it's so that transactions can be handled though in-world web pages when HTML on a prim comes in.
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	03-15-2006 06:38 From: AJ DaSilva More likely it's so that transactions can be handled though in-world web pages when HTML on a prim comes in. Maybe But who'll own the web pages that do it? _____________________
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	03-15-2006 06:42 From: Moopf Murray Maybe But who'll own the web pages that do it? Depends how it's implimented. 'Tis all up in the air at the moment. Even if the confirmation page is stored on LL servers, it's still not going to be LL running an online store. It might make it slightly easier for more people to run online stores, but probably not by much.
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	03-15-2006 06:44 From: AJ DaSilva Even if the confirmation page is stored on LL servers, it's still not going to be LL running an online store. It might make it slightly easier for more people to run online stores, but probably not by much. I'll make a wager on that, if you like I predict that LL will run an online store. _____________________
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	03-15-2006 06:46 From: Moopf Murray I'll make a wager on that, if you like I predict that LL will run an online store. Why? I can't see any advantage for them in doing that.
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	03-15-2006 06:51 From: Moopf Murray Where he does not say he was misquoted, but makes excuses for what he said? I don't think its necessary at all for him to say that, seeing as Tony specifically said that nothing in his original blog entry was a quote; just notes. Regards, -Flip _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!

Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

Numbers, statements (Reuben @ SXSW)